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    (originally had some bad equations up here when I tried to use this mysterious 'contact force' I found out about on the internet to try and get an equation that would give Negi a realistic mass)

    However, I can say that Negi is a fatty and weighs 300 pounds to have enough KE to match the energy of 1,000 lightning bolts.
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    ^^^Wha? MV^2 is energy. In fact, when V = speed of light (C), it becomes pure energy MC^2. Nothing to do with force...

    When things come into "contact", we consider the transfer of energy based on momentum which is merely MV. No idea where you drew that formula from...

    Edit for the fun of it: Lightning is a mass of electrons. I don't feel like looking it up, but I think without unnatural interference, it can go up to 1/3 the speed of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrymir View Post
    ^^^Wha? MV^2 is energy. In fact, when V = speed of light (C), it becomes pure energy MC^2. Nothing to do with force...

    When things come into "contact", we consider the transfer of energy based on momentum which is merely MV. No idea where you drew that formula from...

    Edit for the fun of it: Lightning is a mass of electrons. I don't feel like looking it up, but I think without unnatural interference, it can go up to 1/3 the speed of light.
    I was using the wrong equation on purpose, I just used the one I did because it gave such a nice answer.

    Contact force = mv^2 was something I got off an answers.com page about some theoretical physics stuff. I didn't recognize the term contact force but I just went with it anyways, figuring it was just some odd thing that only applies in unrealistic situations, but apparently that was complete BS (I assume the guy was thinking of kinetic energy and really messed up) and I really should have caught that.

    He'd have 500 lightning bolts worth of kinetic energy though if he weighed 67kg.
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    Hmmm, we may be approaching a break through on anime physics. Perhaps we should suggest an addendum to the Anime Laws of Physics (http://everything2.com/e2node/The%25...of%2520Physics).

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    1) In Negima, Magic is defined as 'using external energy'. So Negi doesn't have to spend much of his own energy for those 500 linghtning bolts.
    2) Magia Erebia and 'turning himself into lightning' is about as non-physical as it gets. And Racan has demonstrated ability to ignore even magical theory. By shattering a parallel world. Laws of physics have little to do with this battle.
    3) 'Contact force = mv^2' is definetely a misunderstanding. It probably meant maximum energy that can be delivered by a blow. That is, if you are attacking purely physically, and Negi definetely enchances his attacks with magic for additional damage.
    4) While rock travelling at the speed of lightning will evaporate quickly, this doesn't apply to shonen manga characters.

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    ^
    1) This is definitely wrong. The evidence is in Negi v Chao, how he was pretty KO'd after spamming his spells while Chao's science-rune-things let her use the World Tree's power.
    2) Wasn't a parallel world so much as an alternate dimension (pretty sure she said that), and because it was artifact-based, it could probably only contain as much as the girl who made it could handle. Like... making a dry ice bomb in some kind of container... the pressure builds up and it'll explode if you agitate it (...apply more pressure to the container by dropping it or something).
    3) not touching this one...
    4) If you take into account that maybe his body is being kept from epic disintegration by magic, then it doesn't matter how fast he's going so long as his magic can handle it and doesn't run out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
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    1) This is definitely wrong. The evidence is in Negi v Chao, how he was pretty KO'd after spamming his spells while Chao's science-rune-things let her use the World Tree's power.
    you're Half right there: Mp is your ability to draw in energy from nature. The Higher innate mp you have, the more you're able to draw in.

    chao used the runes to give her mp from the world tree and increase her ability to draw in power from nature. Apparently, having more magic in the air gives you slightly higher mp. Which is why Yue and konoka were able to cast spells easier during that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    ^
    1) This is definitely wrong. The evidence is in Negi v Chao, how he was pretty KO'd after spamming his spells while Chao's science-rune-things let her use the World Tree's power.
    2) Wasn't a parallel world so much as an alternate dimension (pretty sure she said that), and because it was artifact-based, it could probably only contain as much as the girl who made it could handle. Like... making a dry ice bomb in some kind of container... the pressure builds up and it'll explode if you agitate it (...apply more pressure to the container by dropping it or something).
    3) not touching this one...
    4) If you take into account that maybe his body is being kept from epic disintegration by magic, then it doesn't matter how fast he's going so long as his magic can handle it and doesn't run out.
    1) That was because Negi was better at chanting spells than Chao. Chao got more power and maybe a stronger spell, but as a result on Negi training to be a 'magic warrior', Negi's magic was faster.
    2) Don't the terms 'alternate dimension' and 'parallel world' mean the same thing? From my understanding, the term 'parallel world' makes more sense. Still, if that dimesion is claimed to be infinite, it seems that what it can contain is also infinite. Racan probably disrupted the magic of the artifact, causing the dimension to fall apart.
    4) Yes, and similar reasons prevent Racan from getting pierced by Negi's attacks, no matter how fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flannan View Post
    1) That was because Negi was better at chanting spells than Chao. Chao got more power and maybe a stronger spell, but as a result on Negi training to be a 'magic warrior', Negi's magic was faster.
    2) Don't the terms 'alternate dimension' and 'parallel world' mean the same thing? From my understanding, the term 'parallel world' makes more sense. Still, if that dimesion is claimed to be infinite, it seems that what it can contain is also infinite. Racan probably disrupted the magic of the artifact, causing the dimension to fall apart.
    4) Yes, and similar reasons prevent Racan from getting pierced by Negi's attacks, no matter how fast.
    1) You got this totally wrong. I wasn't talking about Negi's spellchanting, but rather his energy. Chao essentially had meh HP and infinite MP because her runes were powering her with the World Tree's energy. Negi, on the other hand, had to use his own personal store of MP to cast his spells... damn, even in this magic-based series MP looks out of place. She says it herself.
    2) I can agree about Rakan, but I always took it like:
    [(alternate dimension) Universe]
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    [ Universe 1] [Universe 2]
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