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    I've been thinking about this for a while, and in chapter 225 i found another brick to my theory that Nagi is the bad guy behind all this mess.

    Chapter 225 page 13

    Fate's line -- "... however, i must thank you, in truth i'm glad that this crude strategy was a failure. It would be boring to simply steal his son's free will, catching him in a simple trap."

    Fate's speaking as if his boss cares about Negi, if it were me I'd kill the nuisances on the spot, and Fate had all the opportunities to have got rid of Negi. So i guess the only one that cares about the little mage is his father.
    Another thing that bugs me is the exclamation of Setsuna, she's very sharp about these matters (Magic World stuff), so I think she must have realized something.

    The second clue is this one:

    Chapter 202 page 03

    Here it seems that the war ended, and Racan & Nagi are about to split up after a fight .... why? Maybe is only a fight to see who the stronger is. But Racan says "You still haven't made it to your final battle".

    I guess this means that Nagi has changed sides, and the only one who can fight with him is Racan. It ends in a draw and they can only split up, but Racan says that line 'cause he knows that someone will defeat him in the end.

    ... or maybe I've been thinking to the point that my brain doesn't work anymore

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    First point: Nagi is the biggest mo fo in the magic world... I don't find it all too strange for Fate to say something like "his son" because, to me, it'd seem more like he's comparing the impression he has of Negi as "his son" to his impression of Negi as "the man that hit my face twice" or anything else like that.

    Also, Fate's already said that he likes having Negi around because he gives the otherwise 100% successful missions some touch of fun and flare.

    Second point: "Same to you, Jack." Does that mean Jack's gonna switch sides to evil, too? Or perhaps that he's gonna fight Nagi, who he has explicitly claimed to be weaker than, in a final battle that he already knows would be futile. For all we know, this could just be a claim that someone strong enough to actually fuck Nagi up hasn't come along yet.

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    Still, it's kind of stupid having the man acknowledged as strongest in the entirety of the Magic World on Negi's side. If that were the case, then his sudden appearance as a deus ex machina would totally make me pissed off at the ending of Negima... or whatever. I'd wanna see the last scene with Nagi just sitting there watching Negi fight it out to the death with his minions being like "you're doin it wrong, you gotta focus your ki more" or some other random criticisms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    Also, Fate's already said that he likes having Negi around because he gives the otherwise 100% successful missions some touch of fun and flare.
    That's right but then why trying to force Negi in that "truce" between the 2 parties? Fate's lines show that he doesn't like such a plan, if he just likes "having fun" with Negi, he could have just start fighting. So, to me, it's clear that Fate was ordered to force the deal on Negi.

    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    Second point: "Same to you, Jack." Does that mean Jack's gonna switch sides to evil, too? Or perhaps that he's gonna fight Nagi, who he has explicitly claimed to be weaker than, in a final battle that he already knows would be futile. For all we know, this could just be a claim that someone strong enough to actually fuck Nagi up hasn't come along yet.

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    Still, it's kind of stupid having the man acknowledged as strongest in the entirety of the Magic World on Negi's side. If that were the case, then his sudden appearance as a deus ex machina would totally make me pissed off at the ending of Negima... or whatever. I'd wanna see the last scene with Nagi just sitting there watching Negi fight it out to the death with his minions being like "you're doin it wrong, you gotta focus your ki more" or some other random criticisms.
    Maybe the expression "push yourself" has nothing to do with fighting. I think the line means "don't work too hard to make huge plans", whatever good or evil ones.
    Another thing... it's certain that both of them are 2 idiots, then why they've stopped their fight count at 498 to 499? Normally it'd be right to settle the score before splitting up, wouldn't it?

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    I agree with xxsazn on the last part that having Nagi on Negi's side would be only a repeat of the former war. But i think that a happy reunion between the 2 of them would make me sick, besides we all know that Nagi is an idiot, so i think that the role of the good father doesn't suit him.

    I also would rather not to see Nagi as a bad guy, but i have the bad feeling that Negi has been guided in this situation from the very start of the story, when they sent him to Mahora Academy. They knew that something must have happened sooner or later, so they made Negi meet Evangeline, knowing that in the end she would have trained him. But this is only a big speculation made from the bad feeling i have.


    PS..That last scene you mentioned wouldn't be so bad afterall

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    It's likely that he's forcing Negi into a truce because he's got a legit badass of Ala Alba on his side. I wouldn't go as far as to say the others were weak, but I really doubt Eishun in his prime could do shit to Jack, Nagi, or Al.

    As for the fight score, if you look at it, the page where they have that "discussion" is pretty much both of them saying "omg idk what the score is, but i'm ahead, so we're even +1" if you get that. They're both idiots, albeit S-class fighters at least (as Sukuna was SA and Eva beat his ass in about 5 seconds), so the splitting makes sense.

    For Negi to have met Evangeline, he'd have to have set that up with who/whatever decides how the future magi are trained. Remember toward the beginning how they (Negi, Anya, and that older sister) went up to the school Head and bitched about Negi going to Japan? He said he couldn't do anything about it. If anything this is just a coincidence (ffs... in his class is the Twilight Imperial Princess, a girl with more power than his superdad, the Tidings of Woe, his dad's old friend Takamichi... kinda, and his descendant). MASSIVE coincidence, but main characters tend to pull trouble onto themselves [a) Ako's referred to Negi as the main character, and b) I totally forgot which series talked about how main characters had all the problems or else the story wouldn't go on at all].

    ~ I'm gonna have to remember I made that post so, when it happens, I can be like OH SHIT I TOTALLY CALLED THAT!!!
    seriously though, Nagi's the strongest, but the fact that he'd be willing to split so many fights with Jack likely means the gap between those two isn't too far. On top of that, there's no killing a trueblood vampire, so if Eva REALLY wanted to suck Negi's blood and escape the School Hell curse she could. Then there's Al, who could probably also get out if he wanted to. I bring this up because, if Nagi really were a bad guy, the mastermind of everything (doubtful because he's retarded), then these three and others... very weak others in comparison, could probably find a way to stop him. As Al said, "With your power alone, the world will not change" or something to that effect, which can be taken as Nagi not being strong enough to work on his own and thus gathering people with strength similar to his own, meaning at the very least Jack, who's already there, and Al, who probably couldn't get to Mundus Magicus if he wanted at this point, would be enough.
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    One of my theories involving Fate's bosses is that one of them has to be related to Negi. Fate seems to be aware of some aspects about Negi during the Kyoto Story Arc and the present story arc. Fate knows that Negi is the son of Nagi Springfield the Thousand Master. In some ways, Fate had shown that he is unwilling to fight Negi unless he is order to or has to. During the Kyoto Story Arc, Fate had to fight Negi.

    We are only aware of five of Negi's relatives, his father Nagi, his cousin Nekane, Nagi's older brother and Nekane's father, Nekane's mother, and Negi's paternal grandfather. We have debated over the fate of Negi's mother. I can speculated that one of Fate's bosses is related to Negi's mother. Likely a maternal Uncle or Negi's maternal grandfather.

    One of Fate's bosses being related to Negi can help explain how Fate knows a few things about Negi. I do want to think that Fate is being used by his bosses. Right now, I have some doubts that Fate will choose sides. He seems to determine to reach his and his allies' primary objective.

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    Another string in the bow of the Nagi as Fate's boss theory?

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    Let's see I agree with Fate being used, I disagree with Nagi being behind it all, I agree with everything being planned ahead by someone who has some foretelling ability but I believe there are random parts here and there, stuff that wasnt planned but happened by chance

    Also MSH pays lots of homage to RPG's fate is not the final boss, he is likely a sub-boss a la chao, his bosses arent probably the final guy either, more likely there is someone really really powerful, with the ability to tell the future and insanely powerful behind it all
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    but... all your theories would be gone in a puff of smoke when Nagi's the only one who could go toe to toe on Fate.... in his prime at least.... dunno about now...

    since it's official (check raw 229 and the trans at mangahelpers)... we can assume that Fate's boss would be stronger...

    and Fate is Tertium after all... we have no idea if the higher it goes, the more powerful they are (lawl... I thought of Bleach while I was typing this.... lawl Arrancar)... Negi's gonna have one heck of a ride...

    then again.. we haven't seen the full power of Magic Erebea after all so Negi could prolly go at 1k.. at least at 1k power level...

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    Seemed that the enemy that Nagi fought, the E. Kosmos, will be the main villain again. Also, Negi and the AA won't be dealing with a final boss, but bossES, plus their minions.

 

 
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