# Pactio Card Theory (Possible Spoiler)

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• 08-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Nogetsu
I think you have got a bit mixed up there Parry mate.
Alberio is Nagi's partner, and for there to still be power in the cards the Magi needs to be alive (A stream of energy between the two as a connection.) The card is a contract between the Magi and his partner, and as with some contracts they need to be refreshed or they expire...
Or as Alberio says in the way the card dies... See this page in the manga...

Page in Question

Atrum, Death is right to a degree, the card number does change, see the link above, and you will notice that the card Number on the most forward card in the spread does have the number four in its corner, but what that means is beyond me at the moment as I can not see the cards behind it except for telling they are the same card image. It could be that Yes there is a possibility that Nagi preformed 1000 pactio but to the same partners, as in refreshing their cards to return the dead cards ability to them.
But the question then rises to how long a card stays 'alive', Alberio shows a spread of 6+ cards, and with a guess we could say that he was Nagi's 4th partner... (Here come Mana's card)

When a card dies the number does change to show what when that card was created, so when Asuna's card dies the 8 will change to a 1, Nodoka's to a 2 Setusna's to a 3 and ETC...

But back to what I was saying, the life of a card can't be all that long with such a wide spread of cards from Alberio, unless for an example its 2-4 years, which would make sense if he was Nagi's partner for a long time, but that would mean that he had been in contact with Nagi to refresh the card's contract for the card to be active as it is in the Budokai ten plus years since his disappearance...

Man I am confusing myself, anyone else...

I am in agreement with the thing about the person being affected but the numbers in the way you have pointed out Parry mate, but if thats what the girls mean then whats 1001, think that theres something about Alberio that the card number reflects, need to have a look into that one...
((NB: Just as a side note has anyone noticed any cards from Eva and her two Chama(maru/zero) girls???))

Anyway, This is just a little more info from what I have gathered...
• 08-01-2007, 07:40 PM
Nogetsu
Forget it, Was going to put some more info down, and not wanting to increase the first post and changed my mind about what I had collected.
I apologies for this double post...
• 08-01-2007, 08:09 PM
parrywrinkle
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Originally Posted by Nogetsu
But the question then rises to how long a card stays 'alive', Alberio shows a spread of 6+ cards, and with a guess we could say that he was Nagi's 4th partner...

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But back to what I was saying, the life of a card can't be all that long with such a wide spread of cards from Alberio, unless for an example its 2-4 years, which would make sense if he was Nagi's partner for a long time, but that would mean that he had been in contact with Nagi to refresh the card's contract for the card to be active as it is in the Budokai ten plus years since his disappearance...

Remember the comment made by Alberio that his age and that of Asuna cannot be judged by appearances alone. I theorise that Alberio could be really really old and had a lot of pactios made with other Magister Magis. It just so happens that he outlived them all, hence a bunch of dead cards.

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Originally Posted by Nogetsu
When a card dies the number does change to show what when that card was created, so when Asuna's card dies the 8 will change to a 1, Nodoka's to a 2 Setusna's to a 3 and ETC...

I understand this theory.

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Originally Posted by Nogetsu
I am in agreement with the thing about the person being affected but the numbers in the way you have pointed out Parry mate, but if thats what the girls mean then whats 1001, think that theres something about Alberio that the card number reflects, need to have a look into that one...
((NB: Just as a side note has anyone noticed any cards from Eva and her two Chama(maru/zero) girls???))

Anyway, This is just a little more info from what I have gathered...

I believe that Alberio's 1001 has some meaning to it, since he is one of Nagi's pactio partners. 2 points:

1. Alberio is probably not Nagi's 1001st pactio partner considering the extent of Alberio's powers and that they probably became partners during or immediately after the Magic Wars 20 years ago. If indeed Nagi is willing to form pactios with any ol' chap, Takamichi would have a pactio with Nagi as well, and even more so for the case of Eishun. That Eishun failed to rely on a pactio to deduce that Nagi is still alive during the Kyoto arc speaks volumes in terms that Eishun and Nagi did not have a pactio. Eishun in fact believed that Nagi might be dead. Nagi is thus probably not the sort to form pactios with any Tom, Dick or Harry, much less 1000 other partners.

2. 1001 is a special number. I just googled it a bit and got this. Other than the numbers assigned to the girls in the class, I think Akamatsu probably put more thought into the pactio numbers by other important characters. Donet McGuinness' number would probably have some numerology meaning to it as well.

** Oh Joy! Click link to numerology on 1001 and do a Ctrl+F of "Scheherazade Numbers". For those fearful of clicking on links:
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Humans' superstition considers the numbers 7, 11, and 13 to be bad luck. In playing dice, 7 and 11 are "crapping" or drop-out numbers. And 13 is awful. But so long as the comprehensive cyclic dividend fails to contain prime numbers which may occur in the data to be coped with, irrational numbers will build up or erode the processing numbers to produce irrational, ergo unnatural, results. We must therefore realize that the tables of the trigonometric functions include the first 15 primes 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23,29,31,41,43.

We know 7 &#215; 11 is 77. If we multiply 77 by 13, we get 1,001. Were there not 1,001 Tales of the Arabian Nights? We find these numbers always involved with the mystical. The number 1,001 majors in the name of the storytelling done by Scheherazade to postpone her death in the Thousand and One Nights. The number 1,001 is a binomial reflection pattern: one, zero, zero, one.
Much more there if you can bother to look through it all. My point being that Alberio's 1001 is carefully chosen as oppose to the numbers on the Class 3-A girls' cards. It is also unlikely that Alberio is Nagi's 1001st partner and thus serving a register function, being already mentioned in volume 7's remarks that the numbers on the cards have meaning to them.
• 08-03-2007, 06:15 PM
Nogetsu
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Originally Posted by parrywrinkle
Remember the comment made by Alberio that his age and that of Asuna cannot be judged by appearances alone. I theorise that Alberio could be really really old and had a lot of pactios made with other Magister Magis. It just so happens that he outlived them all, hence a bunch of dead cards.

Show us the page, use the site I did and link it, I can't find where this is mentioned. So I am not a hundred percent sure that that is truly what is ment by it...

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Originally Posted by parrywrinkle
1. Alberio is probably not Nagi's 1001st pactio partner considering the extent of Alberio's powers and that they probably became partners during or immediately after the Magic Wars 20 years ago. If indeed Nagi is willing to form pactios with any ol' chap, Takamichi would have a pactio with Nagi as well, and even more so for the case of Eishun. That Eishun failed to rely on a pactio to deduce that Nagi is still alive during the Kyoto arc speaks volumes in terms that Eishun and Nagi did not have a pactio. Eishun in fact believed that Nagi might be dead. Nagi is thus probably not the sort to form pactios with any Tom, Dick or Harry, much less 1000 other partners.

I know what you mean, but I wasn't saying that I believed that compleatly, I kinda knew that he wasn't the 1001st pactio partner, but his 4th as I said with the dead cards, but I am not agreeing with what you are saying about him being partners with multiple mages and out living them, it doesn't feel right...
And I agree with the fact with what you have said about Eishun not having a pactio with Nagi, but maybe he does but the card is dead, not having been refreshed like Albreio's has...

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Originally Posted by parrywrinkle
2. 1001 is a special number. I just googled it a bit and got this.

LOL thats the extract that I was going to put in my double post above, (not wanting an uber long post to start off with) but had changed my mind, should have done it though to save you time...
• 08-04-2007, 06:56 AM
the cameoguy
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Originally Posted by parrywrinkle
Re death incarnate: At the moment we cannot know whether the numbers change because we do have not shots of the same pactio card before and after the Magister Magi dies.

What we do have however are shots of pactio cards after the Magister Magi dies - to wit those from Mana and Alberio. What we see on those cards is that the majority of the art on the cards are gone, save the portrait of the Minister Magi and the Number. It may be safe to assume therefore that when the Magister Magi dies or when the contract is terminated, everything save the Number and the portrait is preserved.

Again I would like to point out that the Number is unlikely a register for either the Magister or Minister. Looking at the "failed" pactio cards with chibi portraits, we can see that Asuna retains the number 8 and Konoka the number 13. As I previously pointed out, Akamatsu makes some attempt at explaining the numbers, to which he explains 13 is believed to have resurrection properties, which coincidentally associated with Konoka's powers. The uncanny association with their seat numbers seem more to reflect laziness than actual thought into content.

it's already noted by ken akamatsu that for each magister magi's card with a partner is different to that of another magister magi.
and the second part i kinda agree with you on.
Because pactio (according to the book) is generally used with people of the opposite sex, "m" could stand for male so "m1" could stand for male 1, which could mean he is the first male pactio.
• 08-04-2007, 11:40 AM
AtrumIncendia
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Originally Posted by kayix
But there WAS some file out there that had all the cards of every student in the class, whether they created one as of yet or not.
Forgot where I found it though.

it coulda been fanart
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