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    Nogetsu is offline Member Newbie
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    Ok, I know this might be a while ago with the releases that have come out here. But You see, being from Australia, we receive the Volumes a couple behind USA (Who are also behind Japan). That being said I have recently purchased Vol14 (The most latest for us), and during the reading of this manga I have been stumped by what happens in the background with some of the pages...
    In one part, the chapter before Asuna and Takamachi (Sp?) and in a couple of the frames I become confused...

    You see, there is a part where Negi and Konoka discover that Asuna is having her date later that day, being told by Chamo. In the next frame, Chamo is quoted saying, "Me from before is there..." Now on the second read I can't remember Chamo ever leaving the party to miss a jump or anything...
    An the proof that at the time that the rest of the Library group got their Pactio cards, Chamo was with Asuna in the Robot Barracks when they discover them missing... Then theres the Frame that has Chamo giving himself a High Five when Negi catches up with Asuna before she heads out for her date...

    Please Help me remember...

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    It actually says "The Man from before..."

    I don't know who they're referring to though. And I don't think it's Chamo that says it, I think it's Negi.

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    I think that your referring to the manga scan that has been translated here right...
    If you haven't seen an actual published copy of the Negima volumes you would note that the Translation is largely different then what you see from here...
    (One of the reasons why I'm buying it in the first place. That and Its nicer to read it in a book form over a PC), you need to remember that they are not pure Translators, (if by chance they are, I apologies for not knowing), as far as I know they are using their own knowledge of grammar when they change the Japanese to English, or in some cases Chinese to English (Or Chinese - Japanese - English).
    There are going to be some mistakes, it common knowledge that its an art to translate text to English...
    I will try and get some scans from home to put up here, but a friend has just borrowed it...

    It is Chamo that actually says it and then theres the the wording of 'Me' not man. Cause it doesn't work when you think of it. Negi saying that and that theres a man there when in every frame from then on the only male up to Asuna meeting with Takamachi is Negi himself.
    Then theres the Two Chamo's giving each other a High Five...

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    You're right, but I can't find the specific moment when Kamo leaves Asuna, or from which time-travel the other Kamo comes from, either. Sorry.

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    @nogetsu

    Keep in mind people translating it either have studied the language in university or college . Some translaters are japanese people themsleves who are bilingual in english so i truly think they are competant enough to translate something. What exactly do u mean by pure translators? keep in mind a "pure" translaters from the del rey manga refered the thousand master as the southern master(which sorta pissed me off). It's the actual person that makes the quality of the work, not just a "pure" translator as u put it,well obviously the guy has to be qualified in his familiarity with katanka,hiragana and kanji. I just dislike your stereotypeing translators.

    yes reading the volume is easier on the eyes then the screen,also they add extras as well and, with the other obvious benefits.Obviously support the mangaka as well, so to speak.

    Now that my small rant is over.....

    You see, there is a part where Negi and Konoka discover that Asuna is having her date later that day, being told by Chamo. In the next frame, Chamo is quoted saying, "Me from before is there..." Now on the second read I can't remember Chamo ever leaving the party to miss a jump or anything...


    1:37 pm as said in the chapter title page. chapter129
    Chamo was with asuna when they were in the sewers, the chapter now would be chamo, and asuna's group directly after the tournament, talking about the date.In this chapter u will see chamo getting a phone call from konoka talking about haruna finding out about magic.

    1:47 pm as said in the chapter title page. chapter126
    Konoka called chamo to tell him about haruna finding out about magic.Chamo will soon leave asuna and go to library island, and be with negi.As well as make the yue pactio. Keep in mind Chamo right now also knows about asuna's date,since he just left her.

    Compare it with the paragraph chapter 126 and chapter 129 You can piece together somethings.

    conclusion and proofs:

    It is implied they traveled back in time.In chapter 129 FUTUREchamo say's, "is it alright not to tell asuna about the pactio with haruna/yue", this is technically something that hasn't happened yet, because the PASTchamo hasn't left for library island where konoka called him.

    FUTUREchamo high five's PASTchamo and tell him about what happened with yue. PASTchamo then leaves for library island to do the pactio.

    Also, it's implied they time travelled back in time because it said day 2 and 1:47pm on chapter 126, on chapter 129 they say day 2 and 1:37 pm. Meaning they are overlapping, and having 2 chamo's.Only way for 2 is time travel.

    Also in chapter 126, if u listen to chamo's comments, you would notice some of the things he's talking about relates to future chapters.He mentions asuna being busy(the date), and knowing that yue wouldn't really suicide(because he was told by the future chamo).When they were doing the high five.

    Summary:
    in chapter 129:
    After the incident with yue. Negi,Konoka and chamo travel back in time.They are at a table where chamos talk's about asuna's date, chamo meet his past self and talk to him about the yue incident after the high five, past chamo leaves for library island.

    as for the "man from before should be thier" thing, it can mean chamo refering to himself as well, since he refers to himself as the hard boiled good guy, calling himself a man isn't far off or it's a typo, and the editor didn't correct it, considering only one word was slightly diffrent.

    Talking about timetravel is a freaking head ache so i can't really organize my thoughts, but the facts and proof listed should be enough for you to form your own conclusion.Just piece them together yourself.

    Thing is, i believe the manga didn't show you the time travel, but gave you enough clues to figure out that they did time travel.Hopes this helps answer your question.
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    Thank you for being so enlightening, sinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinker View Post
    @nogetsu
    Thing is, i believe the manga didn't show you the time travel, but gave you enough clues to figure out that they did time travel.Hopes this helps answer your question.
    Sinker... Good explanation... And I'm pretty sure your correct with the above...

    Quote Originally Posted by sinker View Post
    @nogetsu
    Also in chapter 126, if u listen to chamo's comments, you would notice some of the things he's talking about relates to future chapters.He mentions asuna being busy(the date), and knowing that yue wouldn't really suicide(because he was told by the future chamo).When they were doing the high five.
    When I was reading this part I just assumed their was a skip and didn't really think about it to much (glad this thread exsits... I'd have missed something)

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    originally i didn't think much on it either, and also just assumed a time skip, while i was rereading the manga, i noticed the question , and when i reached chapter 129 i looked into it with a bit more scrutinty. The phone call was the familiar thing that connected the clues.

    Its prety well done, if u noticed, the manga has a lot of events and tiny details that seem irrelevant but hint on future plots and info as well.

    Like ako's scar, chao's relation to negi(if u notice, chao's seems oddly diffrent from the rest of the class in terms of reactions, and surprise throughout the manga), she also showed some similarities to negi very early in kyoto arc as well. Negi's failure to use magic on asuna at the start to erase her mind, later we discover her magic cancel. Thiers really many things hidden away , but later becomes a clue to certain things in the future.
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    Thank Sinker, I never would have worked that out myself. Please forgive me for what I meant by Pure Translators, I was referring to the fact that it is not a Published copy of the manga, with a Raw to Translate. Not coming to stores and such In real life.
    Once again thankyou for explaining it...

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    I did happen to catch that part with the failed memory erase but only 'cause I reread the first book after getting to the magic cancel...

    Ken really did do a good job on this serries. Nothing I hate more than a half assed serries (and this applies to anything not just manga...) It makes me sick when you look at a story and it's plot is weak or it's just obvious that the writter was lazy, and so I thank you Ken for not making me sick (someone relay that message)...

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