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    death incarnate is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    wow, that's not really giving ken that much credit is it? i mean it may be a plot hole but i would think he would give a reason why. plus there's her whole personality thing going on. maybe negi wants to find his father through more hands on means as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    i'm pretty sure there's a range on the her ability though... i recall it being discussed over at AQS. in any case, it'd be too rigged if she could read anyone's mind at any distance, as long as she knows the name.

    it'd be interesting to see what goes on in Nagi's head though
    Nodoka was given the book because she is the one person in the whole cast that would use it responsibly. It could very well be much more powerful than we realize. I would not say that it is impossible, but is it really the right thing to do to attempt to find him that way?

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    maybe nagi is in a coma...

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    I didn't mean to attack Ken, it just seems unreasonable to think that anyone would be thinking of every little detail when writing a story (especially one as expansive as this) and that that might have been overlooked...

    Also it would end the story in a weak way...

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    well i didnt heard anyone saying this so i'll add i think
    maybe the reason they dont try that is because they dont think
    about using the artifact for it? i dont mean they dont want to but
    maybe nobody thought about it doing that.
    answers dont pop in peoples minds always even if it is really easy. even if it is there and waving to them...


    edit: and for those who will say yue is someone who thinks really hard, i say thinking hard and trying to grab something from something, the thoughts of catching complex and hard to notice things may make one notice easy things really hard. because i sometimes act like that too, i remember solving a problem with 2 pages which actually could be solved in half a page and sometimes wasting time on things that are not really necessary:P
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    You people definately do not give ken enough credit for his work. First of all it has NEVER been said that nodoka's artifact can search a person's mind from anywhere.How can it be a plothole? If the fact that it's limitations has never been stated in the manga ANYWHERE.

    All you people are doing is adding your own facts about something thats has never been proven. Even in the manga, nodoka has never used the books powers thats suggests she can read minds at incrdible distances., and if you find wiki reliable(since the fans,subber and people who read the sbs correct the anime/manga related stuff anyways) her artifact is said to have a set range)

    Look under nodoka and last few sentences talking about her artifact.Rnge is 5pnt radius supposedly.

    ok whatever since im not alowed to post links just go wiki and search pactio and look fo nodoka's artifact description.Wiki might be unreliable in history and stuff, but for animes and manga its pretty accurate.
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    i can't find that. i also can't read the range you put up for nodoka's range. anyway usually when you're thinking, you don't think of the general vicinity in which you are at. i mean when i'm thinking i don't note that i am in seattle or d.c. or new york, so this theory has holes in it as well.

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    eh what do u mean u can't find it. got to wikipedia.org and search pactio thats it.Then look for nodoka and read the first huge paragraph, the last 5 sentences in the paragraph talk about her range.

    As for vicinty, it just is never proven that nodoka can read the minds of anyone in the world, since we don't even know if she can do such a thing when somones outta range, so therfore a plothole can't occur if we don't know all the facts about nodoka's artifact.

    All we do is assume thier a plot hole and she can detect Anyone she wants, don't u believe that such a thing is incredibly overpowered?, and tottally kills storyline if somethign can be solved so easily wiht her artifact

    And btw my argument does no revolve around the 5 pnt radius, but the fact her rnge being limitless as most people here are suggesting and how ken forgot that such a simple solution is at hand. I'm, arguing that her limitless rnge is baseless, and would only be a con to the story should it be reailty, which it isn't.
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    Its only a plot hole until the mangaka proves it otherwise and its not as though it is hard to come up with an explanation the mangaka could use. Really, making a big deal out of Nodoka's artifact just because something yet unexplained bringing up people's "delusion of uber-ness". Word of the day: "limitations". If gravity limits a bullet's range then be sure to bet on some as yet unexplained conditions which limits the effectiveness of magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinker View Post
    You people definately do not give ken enough credit for his work. First of all it has NEVER been said that nodoka's artifact can search a person's mind from anywhere.How can it be a plothole? If the fact that it's limitations has never been stated in the manga ANYWHERE.

    All you people are doing is adding your own facts about something thats has never been proven. Even in the manga, nodoka has never used the books powers thats suggests she can read minds at incrdible distances., and if you find wiki reliable(since the fans,subber and people who read the sbs correct the anime/manga related stuff anyways) her artifact is said to have a set range)

    Look under nodoka and last few sentences talking about her artifact.Rnge is 5pnt radius supposedly.

    ok whatever since im not alowed to post links just go wiki and search pactio and look fo nodoka's artifact description.Wiki might be unreliable in history and stuff, but for animes and manga its pretty accurate.
    well basically , it really hasnt been proven that her powers are like that since she herself havent completely mastered it yet.... as for the range i think your right about it, though i thought that her powers like the deathnote, she says the name of the person then she thinks of the persons face then she can read his/her mind... and ive appreciated Ken's Work ever since love hina and some posted that "maybe" its a plot hole but as you said its not a proven as a plot hole yet that is correct.. however it has a possibility that it is a plot hole( im just saying) even so were talking about an idea we have about the manga or something that we feel like we wanna discussed. Sorry but it feels really irritating the way you responded....

 

 
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