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    I guess it all comes down to this: Izumi isn't a guy I'd like to have anywhere near me. He's insane. His logic is insane. His ways are insane.

    No one can tell me Izumi is sane. And I hate insane guys.

    That said, it seems clear that Izumi was created to be the character people hate. ^^

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    I disagree about him being inhuman, myself.

    As an example, people go to wars, then return once it is over. Once they have returned, they don't feel alive unless they're killing someone, so they become hired guns.

    Either that means that the inherent destructiveness within us all is what makes us human (I'd go with this one, personally) or the animalistic drive is much stronger than the human drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caican
    I don't think Izumi is the most human. What makes a human 'human' is not the ability to look out for oneself. Animals do that very well. Humans are animals, but what distinguishes them is the ability to care and see beyond their little selves.

    Izumi is incapable of that. He's certainly shown it more than once. All he cares about is the fighting and killing. Fight and survive, fight and survive. Nothing else really matters, he admits it himself. Animals do that, and human animals do that.

    Now, human PEOPLE are actually able to have something beyond that, able to see something ELSE than themselves. Izumi doesn't. So he's the least human of the bunch. He is the animal of the bunch. No wonder the Panda likes him. He's the closest.

    And there's NO justification to some of the things Izumi did. Not if a person has some humanity, that is.

    Izumi is a killer. No more, no less. He doesn't just fight and shoot to live, like Kurono and the others largely do. Izumi does it because he LIKES it.

    As for Izumi being the best of the Gantzers? Not in the least. Kurono has him beat in skills and back-up. If it came to a real fight, Kurono not only could fight toe-to-toe, but actually would have a whole team aiding him. Thats because Kurono has earned respect. Izumi has earned fear and distrust.

    I'm betting its gonna catch up to him like it caught up to Nishi.
    heh What it appears(at least to me no offense) is that your neglecting the wide range of definitions of what IS human. Because humans ARE animals being human has that much wider range than just simply having compassion and seeing only for others. Yes a human PERSON can be like what you described but human PEOPLE I doubt highly. My reasons for this is look at say self righteous people. The ones who claim to be doing a lot of things for the benifit for those less fortunate. Granted a good part of them really mean it but then there are the select few who are just in it for the praise in name. Now out of the two would you say one of them isn't human? My point is this your trying to compare him like a psycho murderer to a perfectly normal human being. That in my opinion just seems wrong because those who actually survive Gantz are either abnormal in the fact that they have an element of the will to live/bring back the ones they love therefore making their current minds have a different thought pattern than those who live normally.(btw the others who survive are just damn lucky) By what it seems by your defination of human Katou would be the most human out of all of them because he doesn't like to kill, yet he keeps struggling with his "psychotic" side as was shown when he beat up that guy in school. Point I'm trying to make is that being psychotic is also human, and that Izumi's enjoyment of Gantz is actually very human.
    The thing about Nishi is that he had been in Gantz for a whole year. He also is very young(at least I think he is they said he was in middle school so I'm guessing he is unless I missed his age somewhere) in comparison to the others. Someone that young had been in Gantz for a whole year seeing people come and go and he himself just wanted to leave Gantz, so he came up with a reasonable way to try and get that 100 points to get out. After all keep in mind he was driven to kill himself so I wouldn't expect him to trust many.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aradiel
    I disagree about him being inhuman, myself.

    As an example, people go to wars, then return once it is over. Once they have returned, they don't feel alive unless they're killing someone, so they become hired guns.

    Either that means that the inherent destructiveness within us all is what makes us human (I'd go with this one, personally) or the animalistic drive is much stronger than the human drive.
    Yes good example but that doesn't go for everyone, but still a valid point on how some people will ultimately end up reacting to a situation. I see someone here would like Lord of the Flies which the major message of the book is that man is inherently evil.
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    I haven't actually read tht book, I just came to the conclusion that humanity is inherently evil about a decade ago.

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    Well, maybe Izumi is human - in a gruesome sense. A very limited, animalistic sense.

    But he's not sane. The killing spree was pure insanity, no matter how one would try to rationalize it.

    And I don't think Nishi is as bad. He wanted out, I think, and was getting rather desperate after all of the deaths he must have witnessed. Besides, he had emotions. Not good emotions, but emotions.

    Izumi is more efficient - second only to Kurono (the Kurono who is all business) - in skills. But unlike the others, he's got something which is dangerously, and chillingly, psycho.

    And Katou was aware of his own tendencies and fought them. Thats good. Izumi didn't care if he was psycho. Thats horrible.

    No one can make me like the guy who killed a nice, innocent person like Tae. I hate him for that, and he SHOULD be hated for that. I also hate him because, in the final analysis, he's nothing but a pitiful excuse for a human being, far inferior to the others. On that, I will NOT budge.
    Last edited by Caican; 03-01-2006 at 10:43 AM.

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    Here some facts
    Izumi is human
    Izumi has human needs
    Izumi has human desires
    But he's not a sane human, he's not a good human. He is a psycho and a murderer

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    Couldn't have said it better. In fact, thats what I meant all this time. 'Human', when I said that, I meant 'sanity'. Izumi's not sane.

    And my bigger question: does he get his ass kicked at some point? I'm tired of his arrogance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caican
    Couldn't have said it better. In fact, thats what I meant all this time. 'Human', when I said that, I meant 'sanity'. Izumi's not sane.

    And my bigger question: does he get his ass kicked at some point? I'm tired of his arrogance.
    Yes he is insane I will not argue about that, but in my mind that is another thing that makes him human the fact that he IS insane which kinda does rationalize some of his actions.

    Well you could consider the oni alien pwnage as getting his ass handed to him on a platinum plate. It did take what seemed like minutes for him to get himself back together though I CAN give him props for getting himself together after being beaten to a pulp. More than I can say for another Gantzer whos suit never broke and just sat there pissing himself.

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    He is insane. It means that, by definition, his actions are really overboard to anyone with sanity.

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    Izumi may look insane, but looking at a different point of view, maybe he felt that a part of his life was missing, like Kurono is now. So he had to find a way back, and that's what he did, and now that he's back, he wants to make sure he never loses it again. So he's taking full advantage of the opportunity given to him as he doesn't want to lose it again in his is second time around with Gantz

 

 
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