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    mastermind is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    This is very a very interesting idea.

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    Default Re: Gantz - A religious metaphor?

    Quote Originally Posted by lbosquet
    I was thinking about Gantz and how Katou was brought back from the memory. He was stuck living his last moments.

    Maybe that this situation is Hell...being stuck in your worst moment, reliving it and going on and on and on, with no hopes for escape. Until someone comes and takes you away from it...and bring you back to what can be considered paradise, that is normal life.

    Kurono would be some kind of angel, maybe the savior, a natural born charismatic figure...some christ like avatar - training people in teh ways of Gantz, having followers ready to sacrifice their freedom for him.

    Well, that is just a hypothesis

    Kurono = Jesus
    Kaze = Simon
    Izumi = Judas (?)
    Keishimoto = Mary Magdalene (?)

    That could bring the manga into a world of heaven and hell...some religious metaphor...a mechanised battle between forces of good and evil, between the realm of Good vs the chaotic world of Evil...

    Gantz would simply be a means of accessing to this realm where both forces collide and fight.

    Of course that is all based on religious hypothesis...

    But it might be innovative to consider Gantz in that perspective...or isn't it not...
    I don't really think so, but I suppose its interesting.

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    It is an interesting idea but not plausable at all. jurono is not Jesus...I don't see him as a Jesus-type figure what so ever, sorry :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelmonster
    It is an interesting idea but not plausable at all. jurono is not Jesus...I don't see him as a Jesus-type figure what so ever, sorry :-/
    Technically speaking, Katou would be Jesus while Kurono represents humanity in general. Consider:

    1) Kurono hasn't died.
    2) Katou has.
    3) Katou's death led Kurono to improve himself into the person he is now; in essence "saving" him.
    4) Katou has been ressurected.

    Thus, Katou and not Kurono represents Jesus. Through his death he "saved" Kurono, aka humanity.

    But then again I'm an agnostic, so...

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    personally i'm no agnostic, i'm a believer, and it's because of all the things i've lived and seen.
    so i see this manga as a great story, and only as that, so in my opinion this isn't something you should be comparing with Jesus.
    Neiher heaven or hell are in this world and that is something that many people confuse with. You are not supposed to relive a horrible moment in hell, the suffering is far more worst than that, and about heaven ... it's the total opposite, maybe not like a place where everybody is with white togas or something like that, i've really never cared about that, but a place where simply there are no more tears, no more suffering at all... a place like that... there's nothing on earth that would compare either.
    another thing, the devil is not in hell... he is on earth too, and it will not be a great pleasure to him when he get send to hell either
    Just a couple of clarifications maybe, but that is in my opinion why you should not be comparing it

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    Thing is he was just making a refernce to the Bible(or christianity whichever you prefer) and really that isn't an uncommon practice. Good example would be the Puritains who form what I learned tried to associate everything with the bible as much as possible, so what Ibosquet did shouldn't be shot down immediately(if you didn't mean it that way sorry, to me it kinda sounded like it). If anything I think this is very interesting, who knows this might have actually been the pattern the manga-ka was taking.

    I myself am not religious and don't follow any religion whatsoever,don't know what to call that. I'm pretty stupid so not even gonna bother trying to figure out a lot of religious stuff, but what little I have heard of religious preachings and such I can work my puny little mind to find my own interpetation so only take anything I say as that when it comes to such matters.

    As for heaven and hell, well one would think heaven would be filled with whatever makes one happy and hell would be filled with whatever hurts someone. Though I think Gantz more of like a limbo as they are dead but alive at the same time.(they wonder the earth trying to get the right to live) Not exactly like limbo but meh I guess the point is across.

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    Dont forget the disciples . Can't wait till Kurono washes their feet lol.

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    hmmm, some might flame but i must say, god does not exist, it is simply a children's story thats become too obsesive
    religion is based off the bible, a 2000 year old book, when science or reason (j/k) did not exist, i mean, ppl still believed there were 4 elements back then, and that everything in the world was formed of these
    ibosquet
    i had some respect for you man, although you were generally assholic, you did so for understandable reasons (stupid noobs)
    the manga, imo the, greater plot behind it, is not so religious, it is the youth of today, specially in japan, with the hikikomoris and whatnot, kids lock themselves up in their room play MMOs because in it the can be a hero of legends or villain, and many times they preffer this 3d life to their dull and meaningless ones, and this can be said for any game, i mean who hasnt played CS or WoW, they re just damn addictive, and you can usually find friends who will admire your skill and overlook how ugly, dumb, or too damn smart (geeky) you might be
    to lobo i have to say
    you sound too damn religious, and the funny thing is that the next religion, who believes in the same all loving and merciful creator, disagrees passionately with you in many points
    heaven, hell, and god himself came to be when man had just too much time on his hands and asked himself 2 questions, why am i alive? and what comes after death?
    like Einstein once said, a man who lives his life expecting to receive punishment or reward after death, for his actions in life, lives indeed in a poor way
    live your life, because thats all we have
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seto kun
    hmmm, some might flame but i must say, god does not exist, it is simply a children's story thats become too obsesive
    I believe in a God, but not the one the Bible tells us of. There are so many flaws in it. Take Noah's arc, he had to get every animal? That includes blue whales and other animals probably larger than the ship itself; doesn't make any sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seto Kun
    religion is based off the bible, a 2000 year old book, when science or reason (j/k) did not exist, i mean, ppl still believed there were 4 elements back then, and that everything in the world was formed of these
    What the hell? It's vice-versa; the Bible is based off religion. Muhammad? He was taught a religion by God, and spread it by heresay and rumor. Not by publishing some book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seto Kun
    the manga, imo the, greater plot behind it, is not so religious, it is the youth of today, specially in japan, with the hikikomoris and whatnot, kids lock themselves up in their room play MMOs because in it the can be a hero of legends or villain, and many times they preffer this 3d life to their dull and meaningless ones, and this can be said for any game, i mean who hasnt played CS or WoW, they re just damn addictive, and you can usually find friends who will admire your skill and overlook how ugly, dumb, or too damn smart (geeky) you might be
    That's sort of the strength to gaming you dopey twat. It comes with the territory. And GUESS WHAT? I haven't played either CS or WoW. They both blow.

    And wow, I used to be as stereotypical as you are now, but then I decided I didn't want to spend my life pouring concrete.



    Quote Originally Posted by Seto Kun
    you sound too damn religious, and the funny thing is that the next religion, who believes in the same all loving and merciful creator, disagrees passionately with you in many points
    heaven, hell, and god himself came to be when man had just too much time on his hands and asked himself 2 questions, why am i alive? and what comes after death?
    like Einstein once said, a man who lives his life expecting to receive punishment or reward after death, for his actions in life, lives indeed in a poor way
    live your life, because thats all we have
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    How the hell would you know what those questions were, Ms. Rotten-Crotch? The other guy is obviously too religious for the likes of you, so there's really all the reason in the world to believe what you have to say.

    Einstein? His philosophy blows, period. Because he doesn't believe in the afterlife doesn't mean anything. His theories in mass and energy was all that he was good for.

    But how would anyone know about afterlife or reincarnation? Really? Do they die and come back with a story to tell?

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    That is really an interesting way to look onto manga.And it has(together with coolerimmortal addition) many good points.
    I think Izumi as Judas is very good choice.His rampage might be interpreted as betrayal of Jesus(Katous Ideals...) and the entrance into Gantz is his reward...
    Also I agree that Katou represents Jesus and Kuruno,(more or less) humanity.I am not sure about others tho...
    However,if mangaka sees it in this way too,is absolutly diferent question.
    I wonder,if this turn into religious discussion later...It has very good chances to do so.


 

 
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