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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruk View Post
    Don't you think that the person who killed NIshi was that guy in GANTZroom! When he shot to Nishi he unload his suit. He loose becous of that.
    I think he wasn't evil when he was first time in GANTZ. Maybe he lose many friends there. He was yust a boy. Nobody could be normal person after that what he experienced.
    All he wanted, was come back to his home. He needed only 10 points, that was realy sad.


    Sorry about mistakes but I don't write in English very well.
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    whever gantz teleports you it fixes your suit

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    Nishi is my favorite character and as such I am fully prepared for this whole tidbit, but for me Nishi is one of the best thought out and interesting characters in manga-period. But it could be I read WAY too much into it.

    View him from the the "Gaming" Aspect of Gantz:
    Most people unfamiliar with Gantz often lump it in with manga revolving around gaming because of the scoring and if you look at it that way Nishi is easily identifiable as the "Little pwnage kid" who gloats about how much better he is then you and hates to lose. If you view Nishi from this way though you misread his motivations seen when he dies but that's beside the point. Because instead of just "Trying to get the most points" or "Beating everyone else" he is really more of the "Iron Man" like in wrestling. He's the last man standing. He wants to leave which is technically "Winning" in Gantz. But back on the subject-Nishi is the kid who knows ammo spawn time and the best sniping location and knows the spawning points.

    View him from the "Survival" Aspect of Gantz:
    He's a survivor. As he stated in the first game, he is much like Kei would have been. Only Nishi was younger and didn't have the social adaptability of Kei, no one would listen to a middle school kid to stay alive. At least Kei was older and had more dependability and so when everyone else was gone and Nishi was alone he did what he had to to survive. Which leads into the-

    View him from the "Psychological" Aspect of Gantz:
    Nishi will probably grow up to have PTSD because of the things he has seen. He certainly wasn't born into who he was; he was made into it. Nishi is like the last survivor in a Nuclear Holocaust in that he feels alone and isolated because everyone who could have helped him escape his situation is dead or gone(got 100 points) and so now he does the unpleasant things he has to to survive. I doubt he was a shadow sniper when he was with Izumi because a team of people good enough to get 100 points wouldn't put up with someone like that, plus if Izumi was there and kicking ass-who would be left for him to pick off? Nishi has stuck to his tactic for so long that it has broken him of his empathy due to watching so many people die and him knowing that if he had run in he'd be next. Which leads into the God complex Nishi had. Nishi talks such a big game because if he didn't he couldn't have coped. If he was 14 when he died then he was probably 13 when it started and what 13 yr old could deal with a situation like that? Especially because he survives after seeing adult after adult die which builds to a "You die you lose" mentality and he's a year long winner. He IS a coward there's no denying it, but really-why wouldn't he be? If he had been what Kei became and was the defender of the people he'd have been dead.

    Viewing his relationship with Kei:
    Nishi immediately saw he was like Kei and says it, because they are truly alike. Both look down on the world, both hold themselves in high regard and both contain little empathy. Kei was like this until he met Kaze and Sakata and Reika. They changed him because they had faith in him. But no one seemingly ever had faith in Nishi. So where to parallel lines once ran one eventually breaks away to the positive. But when you think about it until the end of the mission Kei was merely using Baldy and Reika. He told them to get the suits and so forth, but it was more off-hand then any real "leading" them. Then he used the Old Man for the first of the mission to help him get his 15 points and drive him around. In fact, Kei's first reaction to the mission before discovering the new rule was "I'll just hide until the mission is over".

    Viewing Nishi as a character:
    Nishi is certainly hard to like and in the anime he was certainly very expressive in his distaste for those he considered under him until his death, but I believe his whole "I don't hate you, I hate society" bit was true because he couldn't see or hear anyone and so he certainly wasn't doing it for their sake, he did it for his own. To let himself be honest. And honestly Nishi is just a kid whose been through some "fucked up shit". That's why he cries when he dies. Because he's a kid who was scared and died in the dark with no outside sound. Probably just the screams of the dead he's heard in Gantz to fill his head.

    I'm probably reading too much into it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidwarrious View Post
    Nishi is my favorite character and as such I am fully prepared for this whole tidbit, but for me Nishi is one of the best thought out and interesting characters in manga-period. But it could be I read WAY too much into it.

    View him from the the "Gaming" Aspect of Gantz:
    Most people unfamiliar with Gantz often lump it in with manga revolving around gaming because of the scoring and if you look at it that way Nishi is easily identifiable as the "Little pwnage kid" who gloats about how much better he is then you and hates to lose. If you view Nishi from this way though you misread his motivations seen when he dies but that's beside the point. Because instead of just "Trying to get the most points" or "Beating everyone else" he is really more of the "Iron Man" like in wrestling. He's the last man standing. He wants to leave which is technically "Winning" in Gantz. But back on the subject-Nishi is the kid who knows ammo spawn time and the best sniping location and knows the spawning points.

    View him from the "Survival" Aspect of Gantz:
    He's a survivor. As he stated in the first game, he is much like Kei would have been. Only Nishi was younger and didn't have the social adaptability of Kei, no one would listen to a middle school kid to stay alive. At least Kei was older and had more dependability and so when everyone else was gone and Nishi was alone he did what he had to to survive. Which leads into the-

    View him from the "Psychological" Aspect of Gantz:
    Nishi will probably grow up to have PTSD because of the things he has seen. He certainly wasn't born into who he was; he was made into it. Nishi is like the last survivor in a Nuclear Holocaust in that he feels alone and isolated because everyone who could have helped him escape his situation is dead or gone(got 100 points) and so now he does the unpleasant things he has to to survive. I doubt he was a shadow sniper when he was with Izumi because a team of people good enough to get 100 points wouldn't put up with someone like that, plus if Izumi was there and kicking ass-who would be left for him to pick off? Nishi has stuck to his tactic for so long that it has broken him of his empathy due to watching so many people die and him knowing that if he had run in he'd be next. Which leads into the God complex Nishi had. Nishi talks such a big game because if he didn't he couldn't have coped. If he was 14 when he died then he was probably 13 when it started and what 13 yr old could deal with a situation like that? Especially because he survives after seeing adult after adult die which builds to a "You die you lose" mentality and he's a year long winner. He IS a coward there's no denying it, but really-why wouldn't he be? If he had been what Kei became and was the defender of the people he'd have been dead.

    Viewing his relationship with Kei:
    Nishi immediately saw he was like Kei and says it, because they are truly alike. Both look down on the world, both hold themselves in high regard and both contain little empathy. Kei was like this until he met Kaze and Sakata and Reika. They changed him because they had faith in him. But no one seemingly ever had faith in Nishi. So where to parallel lines once ran one eventually breaks away to the positive. But when you think about it until the end of the mission Kei was merely using Baldy and Reika. He told them to get the suits and so forth, but it was more off-hand then any real "leading" them. Then he used the Old Man for the first of the mission to help him get his 15 points and drive him around. In fact, Kei's first reaction to the mission before discovering the new rule was "I'll just hide until the mission is over".

    Viewing Nishi as a character:
    Nishi is certainly hard to like and in the anime he was certainly very expressive in his distaste for those he considered under him until his death, but I believe his whole "I don't hate you, I hate society" bit was true because he couldn't see or hear anyone and so he certainly wasn't doing it for their sake, he did it for his own. To let himself be honest. And honestly Nishi is just a kid whose been through some "fucked up shit". That's why he cries when he dies. Because he's a kid who was scared and died in the dark with no outside sound. Probably just the screams of the dead he's heard in Gantz to fill his head.

    I'm probably reading too much into it though.
    Wow great post! You really thought about it, and came up with a plausible and likely answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidwarrious View Post
    I'm probably reading too much into it though.
    Hmmmmm yep. His character type is essential for Oku to weave his twisted tail but IMO Nishi is worthless.

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    How is he worthless? Unexplored-yes. But worthless no. He also served the purpose of being the perfect illustration of how easy it is to die in Gantz. When in only the second game a guy who has been in a year's worth dies like he was nothing helped drive in the stake that any of these characters could die at any time. I think people forget that Gantz falls under the heading of "Horror" manga, which is what I found it under when I first checked it out that long magical time ago. And for a horror character Nishi is one of the most important because in the first games he gives the setting and as I said in the second game he shows the mortality of even the established characters. True, Gantz has evolved more into the action genre but that only came from the raised stakes.

    So yeah, how is he worthless? I can give a list of the most important characters in Gantz for setting mood and tone and Nishi would never NOT be on the list.

    Unless you mean as a Gantzer, but in that case you need to change what you said to "IMO I don't like him". Because ALL the characters are ultimately worthless if you consider the main character Gantz and the underlying story of the world ending as the main driving force in the story. Because Kei most likely be the end all be all in saving the earth, no one will as the story is building to an amalgamation of all the Gantz teams so thus any individual would ultimately be worthless and the collective is what's important.

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    Yet, you don't mention that my favourite character is getting off, when he's killing cats. Gantz and its events making a sociopath out of you? Fine! But getting sexual pleasure from blowing smth to pieces - you have to be somewhat twisted for that in advance.

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    It seems to me that Nishi could or could not be smart with his strategy. When the series started we had the easiest crap mission ever with the little Onion alien and his dad. Four survived and they returned to the Suzuki alien. Six people survived the Suzuki alien and five of them came back to the Buddha alien. I think that Gantz analyzes the survival rate of the current team and then send them to attack aliens that they might beat at their current level. The more people survive one mission, the harder the aliens are the next. Which is also why Gantz decided to send two teams to the mission in Osaka. If Nishi knows about this, then it's only fair that he's trying to be the only survivor in every mission. As the only survivor, he knows that Gantz will most likely send him to a mission with a high success rate. That way, he can also stay alive by himself for a year, and then people fuck it up for him by surviving during the Onion alien fight. If he would become a team player, then there would be a higher chance for more people to survive and a higher chance that Gantz will send the team to more dangerous missions.

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    But that only happened in the anime. And when it happened though my thoughts on it were less him being sociopathic and more about him trying to keep his edge. If he spent the time out of the games reflecting on what had happened during them then he'd probably start to crack, but by continuously killing it never settles. Like stirring a glass with sand in it-you always keep to chaos. He certainly didn't act like he took pleasure in it since he just killed it. He didn't skin it or torture it. He simply took another life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidwarrious View Post
    How is he worthless? Unexplored-yes. But worthless no. He also served the purpose of being the perfect illustration of how easy it is to die in Gantz. When in only the second game a guy who has been in a year's worth dies like he was nothing helped drive in the stake that any of these characters could die at any time.
    blah blah, blah blah blah...Nishi is worthless as a Gantzer and human being IMO. Ask Oku.

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    Well he is the kind of kid/person/human I wouldn´t like to have as a friend (well he prolly wouldn´t want to be my friend so screw that lol).But even if he´s a middle schooler and such,he is hypocrite and such.Saying fuck ya to all teammates and then crying for help?Go to hell man.
    But I guess it´s human after all.I actually don´t care bout him,but I think he´ll help the group someday (he was revived for a reason I think).And although I don´t think he´ll turn all Katou-like (xD) h´ll perhaps have a little change of personality (or not).

 

 
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