I tried to look up what a type 4 anti-hero is, on tvtropes, but unfortunately the database was down.
So it's hard to say anything about that, simply because the term covers a great variety of characters.
I wouldn't really consider Tomoe a leader. She herself doesn't think she is one and certainly doesn't want to be one. It's the other characters that see her as the leader, even though she hasn't taken the lead yet (I think). She could certainly become one with the proper resolve, though.
About Shin being her foil, I don't know. Let's not forget that he hasn't been a gantzer for more than a day. I got the impression that he wanted to show off infront of Keiko. Given that he told the first-timers that he knows more about what's gonna happen than they do, despite the fact that he doesn't even remember what happened in the last hunt (and as i said, only started doing this 20 hours earlier than the newbies). He did try to lead, but look at what became of his plan. He abandoned it as soon as Keiko wanted to save civilians. I think it's too soon for him to lead. I mean he doesn't come of as the kind of guy who knows how to lead yet.
I wouldn't say the readers were turned against Shin because of what happened. To me, he comes of more as a kid that got bullied a lot in the past. And now, after having gotten this new power thanks to the suit, he's somewhat becoming a bully himself. He used the suit to kill his father immediately after the first hunt, and he jumped to violence as soon as he got head to head with Takezo and Ryu. Something you'd expect of a child that got bullied a lot. Gets into martial arts with the purpose of learning how to defend himself, only to end up attacking people instead.
This and his attempts to show off in front of Keiko let him appear younger than he really is. I'd expect such behavior from a teenager, but maybe I'm just expecting a more grown-up attitude from a 21 year old.
Which might also be the reason why I wouldn't consider him cute. Then again, I'm a guy.
In any case, I don't feel like he's on the road to becoming a villian. He might end up there at one point, but I think it's too early to say that this is where he's headed. We're not far enough down the road to say that this is where it leads. Right now he just seems overwhelmed with the power he has now. Which I personally like, since no character has really done that so far, even though it's a reaction you'd expect.
I noticed his insecurities about his height when he lashed out at the team for thinking that he's weak because he's the shortest one there. Another interesting trait. But what about Keiko? Wouldn't it eat at him to some degree that she's taller than him?
PS: I haven't forgotten about the update. My patience for waiting ran out two days ago, but I didn't have the time to write something. But you can expect it tomorrow...or today, depending on where you live (Thrusday evening).
Thats the address to see Type 4 antiheroes. On a scale, type 1 is Shinji Ikari and type 5 is Rorschach just to give you an idea.
I pretty much agree with you, but heres some extra info;
The "Troubled but Cute" trope generally goes by appearance and fangirl grouping rather than personality, I totally agree Shin isnt cute in that way. Also as I'm a little immature myself (and Im older than Shin) I guess that comes out in him.
Oh, and Keiko's only an inch taller, I doubt he even realises she's taller than him.
Nice, this time the database was okay. Interesting read.
What I noticed though, was that most characters (that I know), even if they have no problems killing or using violence, do that mostly to criminals/badguys. Not sure if it really applies here. Shin's dad sure screwed him, but enough to justify killing him?
It only makes sense that his actions come back to haunt him. Killing someone for the first time, especially someone you know, can't be something a hero can just accept. So naturally Shin would struggle with what he did. But with time maybe he'd remember other things his father did to him or his mother. Things that do justify Shin killing him in retrospect. This can help Shin come to terms with what he did and show the readers that Shin is indeed an anit-hero and not a simple murderer.
After I had sent the reply I agreed that Shin probably wouldn't be bothered about Keiko being taller. Right now they are on pretty good terms, so there'd be no reason to get hung up about that.
About the immature thing. Who isn't, right? Sometimes that's gotta be allowed, as long as one is mature when it really counts. No surprise that it's reflecting in your character. I think most people model something about a character after themselves at one point. I, just like my character look much younger than I really am. You'd probably never think I was 27 if you saw me. But I figure, that if I can still look ten years younger once I hit fifty, I'm gonna be good.
If I had to guess, I'd say chances are that sid's room looks a lot like Tomoe's does. And we all know the cruel Takezo is modelled exactly after his creator *gg*
You're right about Tomoe's place looking like mine. She's my nerdy otaku side cranked up to 11.
Since I can't think of anything to put in the character background if anyone has any Tomoe questions to get me started I'd appreciate it.
@ Feanor; I'm finding it hard to write Shin struggling about what he did, even redeeming himself, I find anything I come up with is just ooc in my mind.
Instead I can only really get him to justify it to himself (again this is because he is immature) and what I have come up with hasnt been sprung yet by those around him to go down the paths I've come up with.
If Shin keeps getting pushed around, you might see it, but I doubt you'll be happy with the results as merely justifying it to himself is not resolving anything, but I dont see Shin as feeling guilty about it, or redeeming himself without a death-inducing moment of awesome, which I dont want to do, as I've invested too much Shin for him to be killed off. Of course if you have any ideas yourself, feel free to discuss it via pm.
@ Sid, seeing as I just came to the forum when the rp before Mission 3 was ending, what aliens has Tomoe hunted altogether and how do you think she's developed over each hunt since you first started rping her?
Tomoe's first mission was against the Pervert Aliens. I didn't have a handle on her full personality yet then. She was still socially awkward and quiet but a beserker who found she had a taste for killing. I didn't expect her to survive so went too fast on her slide into madness.
I can't remember the aliens and can't find the thread for the second mission. I can't remember the aliens, but I remember Skittles making his first appearance. This is the mission I had Tomoe take a darker turn by killing the teenager responsible for the practical joke that led to her death. It was also when she met Naomi who was the first person who ever depended on her for anything. Here is also where I developed her protectiveness of the team and decreasing care for the lives of people caught in the crossfire.
If I had to compare to a gantzer it'd probably be Sakata. She's not fearless like Kurono, noble as Katou, cold as Izumi or as much of a jerk as Nishi. I suppose if the stalker chick had survived she might be like that.
The funny thing is I created her because I noticed there were no female characters and didn't want the rp to be a total sausage fest.
Throughout the missions I've tried to make Tomoe a little more open but a lot more ruthless.
Interesting. About the second mission briefly, I remember when I first joined the forum you guys were battling a giant Tanuki, but I also remember looking back and seeing something about an alien called the "Admin" or "Mod" alien and it looked like a ginger guy with glasses... I dunno...
Its also interesting that from what I read you're the only one left from the 1st hunt and everyone else joined in Hunt 2, coming in it seemed like you were longer vets than that, but some newbs may say that of Shin, Dre, Tak, Maik and Sean.
I like your idea about comparing our characters to canon hunters... I think Shin is quite alot like early Nishi, before he was brought back. He's got issues and how Nishi acted in the Tanaka hunt when his suit was busted reminds me of Shin. I dont think he's as cold as Izumi and he's not as cool as Host Samurai, and he's too volatile to be compared to the heroes.
Tomoe strikes me as a less vindictive Kishimoto crossed with the girl that came in with the gang Inaba sided with rather than the Sadako girl.
Though recently she seems to be getting more selfish and cunning to get out alive, so maybe shes getting more like Kishimoto :)
@ Feanor; reading over the Type 4 examples I see where you're coming from but V from "V for Vendetta" is noted as killing an innocent to keep his charade up (I cant remember that happening, plus what he did to Evey was an extreme way of making her understand him). I think killing an innocent for that reason may be worse than what Shin did, though you may beg to differ. But like you said, in canon chronology its early days and things will develop.
Hey! I'm actually a nice guy,... REALLY!
Originally Posted by Feanor
@Sid: Q: What does Tomoe actually work as? I'm assuming she's a wage earner but for What company (perhaps you could tell us abit about work the company does)?
@Ikari: Heh,... Shin is one messed up guy, he seems more confused than any other character. Is he the type that is always bouncing between decision? Also what does he actually do? We know he's a graduate, right? so is he working or just bumming around till he finds the right job?
I think Tomoe is unemployed, but I don't know what she worked before her "termination".
Since I gave Tomoe some of my personality quirks I decided to give her my job too. She's a retail stocker. She'd been offered to be the cute girl at the front who greets people but turned it down.
When she gets home she'll have no job and her place will be trashed. Poor girl.
If she survives the mission I might have her get a job she'd hate like working in one of those maid cafe's.