Your Whacky Gantz Theories
This thread is dedicated to useless/stupid/pointless Gantz theories that you think you have come up with.
- Kei Kurono has already one clone of himself.
If you look at these pictures, you get my point. Why did he teleport Kei with the memories of him escaping the big flying bird? Instead of the one who was dropped on the roof? I believe Gantz teleported him, because he was sure that Kei would not survive the birds attack. So where is the clone Kei? He is probably living on the roof trying to survive, collecting rain water and small flying birds as meat.
- The guns theory. The guns used do not actually do anything except lock on to target. For example as seen in Osaka chapters where they use the H-Gun the blast comes from sky. And with X-Rifle you could lock onto multiple targets, and then fire at all of them at once. Also why do the weapons have delay? The answer is because the guns are not shooting anything ... the blast comes from a far away. So I think the answer is Orbital Gantz Station which shoots the targets that are locked on. Most likely there are atleast five bald people living in each orbital station handling the incoming requests.
So I think there are several Gantz Balls orbiting the earth accepting target requests, that`s the theory anyway ... Dam, look at that picture, it is just like it is taken from the pages of the manga. It boons ...
- The bald people inside the black balls are almost as clueless as the hunters. They are probably chosen randomly same way as the hunters. Most likely the one teleporting the dead people is not the person in the black ball, instead it is someone else (Probably someone living in the Orbital Gantz Station A.K.A OGS). The frase "That is the theory anyway", seems to imply that he is not really sure what he should do. It seems he is following some vague rules that has been given to him ...
- The technology used in Gantz is from future. Because this claim has been made probably several times, I am not going to put much effort in it. Gantz was send from future to prevent the incoming catalysm.
Last edited by IAmSorry; 01-02-2009 at 03:21 AM.
^Your first theory is faulty, because it's already common knowledge that the transfer mechanism loads the wounded hunters before serious injuries in several occasions, such as Katou back from the Onion alien mission or Kurono back from the statues mission.
#2 Could be so. Except for the part of Gantz balls floating. Bear in mind that the y-gun transfer send the aliens "up there". So most likely there's a space station of some sort, which is large enough to contain more than only one target.
#3 Don't think so. That sentence itself doesn't really back up the argument in the least, and we were never shown any sign that the ball has any will without the human component. Personally, I think if the ball had a meaning without human component, there'd be no real reason for it to be there. Seeing as we know that being man made, there is no need to use a human component only for language issues, it must attend some unknown purpose, but regardless, the purpose exists. Of course we can't know whether the human inside really knows anything, but I suppose considering only that sentence is jumping the gun.
#4 Like, no. If Gantz wre there to prevent the catastrophe, I don't think it'd really have a counter and in no way explain the whole shit or come up with interesting lies to make it easier for the hunters. We already know Gantz is man made. Time travelling would be a bit too much, in my opinion.
I'd add my own bullshit here, but I'm not really feeling creative at the moment.
Last edited by Cali; 01-02-2009 at 04:22 AM.
1. Well, Kei did not actually injure himself even though he dropped on the roof. He was pretty much okay. And even those who have lost a leg or two remember what happened during the fight. Atleast I don`t remember any other asking "what is going on?", when they were teleported back. Yeah, those who have been revived after dieing seem to be previous versions of themselves.
Originally Posted by Cali
For example the vampire dude lost his finger. When they teleport him back, he will remember everything else except what happened after losing the finger ... ?
4. Well, in comics it was stated by someone that the technology is human made and there is ofcourse that factory. Ofcourse nothing is actually told about what will happen after the countdown either ... Maybe the game will end? It was suggested that there would be a nuclear war without actually explaining why he thinks that way. Though, if they were send from future, it would be kind of stupid to arm Pandas and young kids to save the world. Then again the technology seems bit out from human hands ... So it is either from future or alien technology.
Last edited by IAmSorry; 01-02-2009 at 06:14 AM.
^Kei had his shoulder cut by the Tanaka boss, pay attention to the details.
And please prove your argument with passages from the manga, because this "even those who have lost a leg or two remember what happened during the fight" cannot be proven at anytime. You might wanna refer to Kurono back from the Budha mission, but there's also a heavy discussion, with valid arguments to both positions, that he didn't have any memories from after Kishimoto's death and learned of Sei's death after checking the memory, hence why her portrait is shown and not only Katou's.
Of course the same would apply to HS and his finger, which is one of the points transfer issues have been discussed in the past and until now.
Anyhow, there's also the matter of irregularities in Oku's story. Such as later transfers including Kurono after being shot by Izumi and Suzuki after being cut by the vampires. I won't get into details here, since it's been already discussed over and over before.
Anyhow, you might want to read this thread thoroughly:
On Gantz transfers and memory
I wonder why you upped those pages, seeing as they prove your point incorrect.
"Then again the technology seems bit out from human hands ... So it is either from future or alien technology."
Yeah, right, you're just ignoring it wasn't a conclusion the characters in the manga came to, it was a sentence given by the narrator, for crying out loud. Also, remember Gantz is fiction, so it doesn't really need to be from the future nor alien technology to be that advanced.
Of course we assume certain things to be more credible and apply our readers logic to try and make something out of them, but still, it's fiction, therefore anything is valid as long as the author wills it. It's up to the reader accept what's there and keep on reading or just drop it and do something else.
If you want further reference:
Last edited by Cali; 01-02-2009 at 06:10 AM.
1. I pasted those pictures to show that Kei was not seriously injured. And that he would have survived without a problem.
Originally Posted by Cali
Well, I viewed those chapters again. Masaru Kato sees how the onion alien is captured and begs for not to kill it then he loses consciousness. Soon after that he is revived and he wonders what happened. What happened to the alien, did they kill him or let it live maybe? Those pics do not prove that he lost memories ...
But you are saying that if you injure yourself, any memories gained after that will be lost and that Gantz can not heal injuries when it teleports people or construct body parts? In the beginning I remember a talk about scars, how they did not have any scars ... even those that they gotten before Gantz. I think this proves that Gantz can restore body to previous state. And it seems bit ridicilous that if you get anykind of cut, you lose memories ... So my proof is, it would be stupid that way.
2. Yes, it is fiction and that is why it would make whole lot more sense if they were from future or alien made instead of some goverment or corporation. Why? Because other people seem to be using modern era / present time technology (even the military), and they have not even heard of technology capable of that. That is just my opinion.
Well, I am just going to ignore the "narrator". He is spouting nonsense in any case. The narrator seems to play the part of the reader and just telling what he is seeing: "Is this the end of Kato?" for example or "The strongest alien so far appears".
^If you're going to ignore the narrator, my friend, you can just as well ignore everything in the manga.
Also, if you can't really understand that Gantz has loaded people before they were injured with memories only to those moments - meaning you didn't read the thread I pointed you to - then you're ignorant. I even pointed you to valid counter arguments, if you wished to look for them, but no, you have just disregarded them in favor of your own theories with no suport from the manga.
It's unknown whether Gantz can work in both ways repairing and reloading. The reloading bit is certain, proved various times throughout the manga, but you don't seem to pay attention. It's also unknown that, in case it repairs and reloads, what is the rule it uses to each.
There's also the matter of where Oku's putting any thought about it in the first place; he's known for his flukes.
The deal about the scars has been once theorized as Gantz using the dna code of the person to reassembly them. I emphasize it's theory only.
Anyhow, Sakata's organs weren't restored which means either there's no rule, Oku doesn't care, or something entirely different, such as Gantz being constantly managed and having new improvements or new restrictions to the transfer system.
If you want the ultimate proof in Gantz reloading instead of repairing, check the chapters of Katou's ressurection.
If that doesn't convince you, then I give up.
And let us remember what brought about this little discussion: your first theory, the idea that there's a Kurono clone, meaning the Kurono on the roof from the Tanaka mission remained alive. A theory that can never hold truth seeing as if that person was alive, he would try to go back to his own house after seeing the transfer failed. Another point is that Gantz could at anytime just kill this version that remained alive by blowing up his head bomb. It's different from Kishimoto's case, in which the original, with no relations to Gantz remained alive.
Last edited by Cali; 01-02-2009 at 07:50 AM.
My Wacky Gantz Theory on how people are selected:
Basically, I think Gantz is some Saw-like test to make people appreciate life while killing aliens.
(Based on the glimpses into the character's personal lives
1. Every person that enters the Room must be someone who would not really be missed if they were to die.
2. Those who are transported to the Room and yet their bodies remain living in the world are people who would be truly missed, but do not have a reason to live.
Some Examples of 1:
Kuruno: Abandoned by family, living alone
Katou: orphan, only has his bro (who seemed to survive well between Buddha and Oni missions)
Izumi: seems to live alone, therefore I assume he's abandoned also.
Old Man: based on him being a widower and living alone, he has no close family.
Nishi: everyone hates him and wouldn't notice his disappearence.
Muscle Rider: lives a transient lifestyle based on martial arts.
Takeshi: abused by his father or mother's boyfriend; neglected by his mother
Reika: Feels alienated, even though she is surrounded by people who seem to care becuase she's famous.
Assorted yakuza, thugs, rapists, Osakan madmen: have professions/hobbies that are frowned upon by a society that could continue without them.
Only Example of 2 so far:
Kishimoto: Suicidal because of her manipulative mother, but would be missed by her family members.
Could be. Then again I just thought that they select them randomly. The fact that most of them are loners, gangsters and pricks is just because people are potrayed that way in Gantz. For example ALL of the students throwing nishi down from a building (pricks). And the school where Sakurai was molested by teacher and several students (pricks). Ofcourse there was that Granny and his grandchild ...
Originally Posted by masaru-san
I originally calculated how many people he got each mission, compared to how many he had at the end of the previous mission that survived, and thought I saw a pattern. But alas, that formula didn't work out.
Along with potentially good fighters, Gantz also gets office workers, an old lady with her grandchild, a little dog, and whatnot. Having helpless people that others might try to defend, especially an attractive busty teenage girl, might be a good motivator for some.
I made a list of everyone ever selected: http://gantz.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_...t_each_mission
Notice some people arrive with others they know.
Mission 1: Kurono and Kei and the two gangsters
Mission 2: Four biker gang punks, old lady with grandchild, gay model and stalker girl
Mission 3: Two guys that knew each other
Usually just good for having new characters to kill off, without having to waste a lot of time with them. Four office workers that died ending up being called "old people" by Kurono, a teenager who ordered them around, during the Oni mission. Etc.
And when you need a host of bad guys to abuse people, or get killed off fighting other team members, without anyone caring that they died, then you get the rapists and gang members, arriving in a group. On one mission, 5 rapists arrived with their victim, and everyone was thus looking forward to seeing them die.
No set pattern or anything.
That theory was made by someone else, but what if Gantz is just some gory reality show?
I don't really like it, btw.
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