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    Cali is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    ^The main difference is that Kurono had Katou as a sort of "conscience", so I don't think he'd manage to go completely Izumi, even though he tried to be, during part of the budha mission.

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    Actually, I can see Kurono become Izumi quite easily; on one important condition, though.

    If he loses his current team of friends, just like Izumi lost his a long time ago.

    I have vague memories (so I'm not 100% sure this is the case) that on one mission, Kurono didn't bother with the new members, and wanted to do everything on his own, so Katou had to explain to the new members a lot of things. If Katou dies, along with the people Kurono knew until now, then Kurono would probably become a solo fighter just like Izumi was when he became a member of Gantz for the second time (unless we're not aware of something).

    You could also notice how Kurono started feeling alive only through Gantz and it's missions, exactly like Izumi. It was a really nice character development, showing how Gantz affects the mind of it's "players".

    Only problem is, I'm not sure about one of my first arguments.
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    Cali is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    ^Kurono can't become Izumi no longer, because Katou existing has changed him. Of course, it wasn't an immediate change, but the Kurono right now is unlikely to grow cold as in the budha mission once again. Of course, if the whole team died, he would keep on being friendly, but if the whole team + Tae died again... then he could become cold enough, but still, I don't think he'd become Izumi, because as I pointed out before, I think Izumi's circunstances are very different.

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    It's possible that if anyone dear to Kurono dies he would find a Way to force the Gantzman to bring them back.

    But that's only Speculation until we see what Reika's trying to pull of.

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    ??
    What do you mean?
    The only person dear to Kurono which is currently alive and not a part of the team is Tae. He didn't care much for his brother, nor is the revived Kurono likely to know Akira's dead.
    As for the others, should they die, certainly they are revivable.
    What we're yet to see is whether Reika's plan is doable or not, since I guess it's pretty much agreed that the meaning of her message at the end of that chapter meant she'd try to create a second Kurono. I have my own opinion on the matter, which I've stated earlier, either she dies and we won't know whether a revived person gets out of the revivals list or she'll indeed manage to get a second Kurono, that won't go the way she pleases.
    The things is, the revivals list being is actually called "memory", and that name makes it dubious, since it gives off the idea it might store all database, including the living ones. That's not the case since we've already been shown that the list Nishi and Kurono have accessed before is only of dead people - otherwise Kurono wouldn't check the list to be sure of Katou, Sei and Kishi's death.

    Anyhow, I think 289 will have other members of the team in their last moments of peace and the catastrophe itself will being in 290. Why 290? Because it has 2, nine and zero. Yes, I'm aware it's a nonsensical argument.

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    Revivable, yes, but he would need to pay 100 Points for it which he most probably will not have. Except when he handles the whole Catastrophe on his own, scoring an insane amount of Points in the Process.

    Back to the actual Chapter....
    What do you all think blows the Windows with their Frames into the Room?
    Can't be some sort of Explosives, I read some Theories it's Gas Grenades, but that would shatter the Glas, not the whole friggin' Wall.

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    ^On the windows deal, I agree, that's why I have been opposing the idea it's military action as opposed to being the prelude to catastrophe. Still, I think we'll be shown the counter getting to zero before the actual event, hence why I'm betting on 290 as the start chapter.

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    Some thoughts:

    Who could be the one uploading the nishi photo at the 4chan? He might have connections with the police or perhaps he is the one that nishi was talking to. The teacher saw Nishi killing the students and I assume that he as a witness, said everything to the police.

    Its interesting to notice how it appeared in the news. They said that a student was taking hostages which means the information was limited by the police. So, i wonder about the one who uploaded the nishi photo. The teacher (the only witness) probably dont know the 4chan forum. Putting him aside, we only have as options: 1 - The one at the phone; 2 - Maybe someone who knows nishi from the internet world; 3 - Someone who has acess to confidencial information from the authorities.

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    ^Well, the school wouldn't be evacuated if there weren't anyone left. Also, we've already seen enough of Nishi to know at least when it comes to humans, he doesn't kill needlessly; he only gets back at those who picked on him. Therefore, he might've spared whoever appeared to check what the hell was happening in that room.
    And I personally don't believe the teacher was the only witness.
    There's also the matter of how much time killing all those students took. While Nishi was killing one or another, some of them might've called the police, family or even colleagues, that way leaking information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bindy View Post
    [...] just like Izumi lost his a long time ago.
    There wasn't anything important mentioned about Izumi and his former team, ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bindy View Post
    I have vague memories (so I'm not 100% sure this is the case) that on one mission, Kurono didn't bother with the new members, and wanted to do everything on his own, so Katou had to explain to the new members a lot of things. If Katou dies, along with the people Kurono knew until now, then Kurono would probably become a solo fighter just like Izumi was when he became a member of Gantz for the second time (unless we're not aware of something).
    Sill....no, he wont. Kurono became big headed after the tanaka alien mission, because he managed to survive the mission with incredible luck and without suit. The following buddha mission had huge impact on him, because he never expected the mission to turn out into a complete desaster, with everybody dieing, except him. After he realised, that he had to participate alone in the chibi alien mission, he panicked and literally shat his pants. He knew, that he wouldn't be able to survive that mission on his own, if the difficulty level was as high as in the buddha mission.
    Izumi on the other hand would just deal with the situation, because he's fearless and doesn't care much about his life (surprise, surprise...). Whether he dies or lives, it doesn't mean too much to him... I dare to say, that dieing would only mean smth like:''I failed, I lost... Oh well, it was fun as long it lasted''. Afterall, if life means anything to you, wouldn't chose to go back into gantz's world.


    edit: Cali bring back your Oka-milkshake-moment-sig :'(
    Last edited by BOBO THE SPACEMONKEY; 12-29-2008 at 05:30 PM.

 

 
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