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    peacemakerx is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    I seriously doubt Oka was the strongest there. He got his ass handed to him quickly since he lost his super suit. Kaze was definitely the strongest human during that mission.


    Oka's main strength came from the super suit.


    Remember what Nishi and Izumi talked about on that train. There are stronger players and aliens out there.

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    I presonally think Oka was the best equipped Gantzer, not the strongest. Like has been said before, Oka pretty much got pwnd by Nuri once it turned into its old man form and onwards. Just reading from month to month rather than in one go made him look more awesome. Reading from volume to volume, he wasnt all that.

    On other recent points-

    Yeah, its funny how Gantz went weird and changed the rules when the Oni Boss announced the extermination of mankind. Looks like this may have been something to do with the Katastrophe.

    Whilst on the subject - the Japanese for Katastrophe is something like "Katasotorofui", and uses phonetics. I guess its okay to spell Katastrophe with a "C" and this is probably just a translation issue (what with the German references).
    Its also pretty obvious now that when Izumi and Nishi were talking on the train about other teams that it was the Katastrophe that Nishi wondered it would be ok for the rest of the world to handle.

    Going on the German spelling, Nishi said Gantz was apparently made by an advanced civilisation, but he never said anything about if theyre still around or not. He also never gave a date to the Gantz ball delivered in Brazil. Could the civilisation be Germany like Kikuchi shown Kurono with the "haven's door" web pic?

    Also with the point of Gantz actually being delivered to an apartment, there then has to be humans involved in the background with it. Like a maintenance team? I dunno. However, thinking on it, as all the teams over the world are telling each other rules of the Gantz, does Gantz even explain to the first team what is going on when summoned? Looking back to the Kappe Hunt, I think Gantz wanted Izumi back as he found Kurono weak and incompetent. It would make sense he would explain something to the people instead of leaving it in Kurono's hands, what with Izumi's memory loss, but no he just says theyre there because everyone else has been too weak so far.

    I like the idea of Gantz teleporting you back at 100 points and sending you back out when your choice is made, its like instant heal and gift! Could see Gantzers hanging on death's door for those last few points to get transported back.

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    ^ Actually, in Japanese the "c" sound for "cat" is "k". But as far as I know, "katastrophe" with a k is just to indicate the German reference, no big deal. (also, it's not really "fui", it should be "fi" since it's a small "i").
    Also, "katastrophe" being the command line for Gantz to show the counter, it was like that in the raw to being with, not a translation misconception. Hence why "katasutorofi" should be "catastrophe", in English, when writen in katakana.
    That plus Kikuchi's comment on the cult in Germany makes me think either Gantz was made by them, was made there, or was made by people/things that initially acquired German culture.

    As for the maintenance team, such an existence have already been theorized before, on other matters, such as the missions remains back when they were still in another frequency, and also the whole building in which there's the apartment.

    On the possibility of actual explanations to earlier teams, I also find it possible, but I also have another theory, that the first team maybe wasn't selected like the following teams; maybe the first team was involved with whatever Gantz is from the beginning (and maybe that made the recruitment change). It could all be a psychological experiment (I like that alien "truman show" theory).

    Quote Originally Posted by Duststorm View Post
    So when Oni boss declared the extermination of mankind, is it possible that gantz started the "katastrophe" phase?
    Not really, since it should start only when the counter gets to zero. But it could've been a prelude to the catastrophe, assuming the main goal of it is mankind's extermination.
    Good one pointing that out!

    Also something has been bothering me about Nishi. He wanted 100 points to leave gantz but if everything is going to be destroyed in a few months. What is the point of being free? Also why would Izumi leave despite having this knowledge as well?
    We have already discussed the issue recently. Personally, I think both of them, knowing the catastrophe was near, chose to lose their memories of it, and live in ignorance - which would be the opposite to Kurono's recent resolution.
    Now, on Nishi, considering he's a smart guy, he might've chosen ignorance but with an insurance; his website. He might have planted info for him to know and be free but prepared, to a degree, so that he wouldn't fall with the rest.

    About the points it is possible is that if you kill enough to get over 100 points Gantz quickly teleports you to it, to make your choice then puts you right back on the battlefield.
    Oh, now I see what Ikari meant. That'd be a nice one too.
    Last edited by Cali; 11-03-2008 at 05:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacemakerx View Post
    I seriously doubt Oka was the strongest there. He got his ass handed to him quickly since he lost his super suit. Kaze was definitely the strongest human during that mission.


    Oka's main strength came from the super suit.


    Remember what Nishi and Izumi talked about on that train. There are stronger players and aliens out there.
    I have to disagree. Oka's main strength, in my opinion is that he can analyze an opponent as well evaluate a situation. There is a reason why he cleared 7 times and killed a 100 pointer on his own.

    Also I doubt Kaze is a better ganzter then Oka is. Look at chapter 275. Kaze was taken down by Nuri with one hit.

    Now look at chapter 276. The fight between Nuri and Oka was so intense that many buildings were being destroyed in the process. Showing that Oka with his normal suit is no pushover.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    We have already discussed the issue recently. Personally, I think both of them, knowing the catastrophe was near, chose to lose their memories of it, and live in ignorance - which would be the opposite to Kurono's recent resolution.
    Now, on Nishi, considering he's a smart guy, he might've chosen ignorance but with an insurance; his website. He might have planted info for him to know and be free but prepared, to a degree, so that he wouldn't fall with the rest.
    Well that would make sense. Though I honestly have to admire Nishi for his nerves. The world is going to end in a week and he does not seem that worried.

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    Also I doubt Kaze is a better ganzter then Oka is. Look at chapter 275. Kaze was taken down by Nuri with one hit.
    If the final form of Nuri showed us something, it was that no one could take him solo, so thatīs really a poor comparison.

    Also, Kaze ended up much better than Oka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt View Post
    If the final form of Nuri showed us something, it was that no one could take him solo, so thatīs really a poor comparison.

    Also, Kaze ended up much better than Oka.
    I agree in that final form nobody could take Nuri on.

    My point is that from the wreckage when Nuri attacked Oka implies that it was more then just one punch and certainly on a much more destructive scale then the one punch Nuri gave to Kaze.

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    Inaba also ended up better than oka.

    Anyway, oka was the strongest human on earth at the moment, just like the light oni was the strongest alien in the history of gantz. That does not mean that someone/something else can's surpass it right away.

    The advanced civilization thing, at first it reminded me of jojo and the way they made the germans much more advanced than any other civilization. Then I reminded of the vampires and thei "old"nanomachines as well as the whole "taking our land back" from some of the aliens, so I satrted thinking that it might be an old, advanced but now difunt civilization, something similar to atlantis, and the gantz balls would still be something misterious as they might be the legacy left by them after taking the earth from the aliens; maybe even having the katastrophes as something cyclical and they had already gone through at least one of them.

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    ^Question: "Why is it that when there's some kind of massive conspiracy going on, there's a 50% chance of mangas linking it to germany?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    ^ Well, shiranai. That's just how it goes.
    I'm happy enough with that mention about a Gantz ball being delivered to an apartment around here (=
    The absence of spoilers makes me sad.

    Isn't there any talk about it around 2ch? Not even a fake that we can debate over for a few hours? (since it's already Tuesday anyway)

 

 
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