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    Popothepenguin is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dingo View Post
    But the Nuri mission proved that a trained survival force is more effective than a bunch of nihilistic thrill seekers. Tactics enabled the Tokyo Team kill Nuri whereas just being alive was a prize for the Osaka Team.

    As for Gantz being a human product. I actually thought that might be the case. I first thought that Gantz may have just been the result when a leetspeaking otaku nerd learned how to hack reality, perhaps it's a whole corporation of leetspeaking otaku nerds...Either way, it seems that some chapters will be surrounding Kikuchi going to Germany.
    I'm not saying that what the humans that programmed Gantz have similar thoughts with Oku on what makes a better soldier. Oku is enforcing the benefits of a team rather than the single unit. A team also comes with emotional distractions that would not effect a single, "game" player. Plus, Tokyo's goal is survival. Gantz' goal for the gantzers is not for survival but rather for an accomplished mission. Think of it this way. The tactics that Gantz (or the humans behind Gantz) wants to employ is similar to that of a al quada or a terrorist except that instead of Allah being their motivation, the usually stereotypical Gantzers find motivation in the thrill of the game and the power that comes along with it. Thus, comes a brand of soldier that will fight blindly whatever they are sent. The Tokyians have reason on their side and refused to fight when they didn't have to. This is what happens when the goal is survival (most who have the goal are likely to be more team oriented); They won't fight unless its absolutely necessary. In the end, they are more able to fight stronger foes but there is a lot of push that comes with it (notice Gantz having to shrink the area to force them into combat with Nuri). In this sense of having soldiers who want to go out and kill enemies without any fear of their own death, a Knob or George is much more valuable than any Tokyo member. That is why Gantz would want "nihilistic Thrill seekers" over a trained army. It causes quicker results with less effort.

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    boring issue. Nuclear is a sucky word. hope it are really aliens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    I'm not saying that what the humans that programmed Gantz have similar thoughts with Oku on what makes a better soldier. Oku is enforcing the benefits of a team rather than the single unit. A team also comes with emotional distractions that would not effect a single, "game" player. Plus, Tokyo's goal is survival. Gantz' goal for the gantzers is not for survival but rather for an accomplished mission. Think of it this way. The tactics that Gantz (or the humans behind Gantz) wants to employ is similar to that of a al quada or a terrorist except that instead of Allah being their motivation, the usually stereotypical Gantzers find motivation in the thrill of the game and the power that comes along with it. Thus, comes a brand of soldier that will fight blindly whatever they are sent. The Tokyians have reason on their side and refused to fight when they didn't have to. This is what happens when the goal is survival (most who have the goal are likely to be more team oriented); They won't fight unless its absolutely necessary. In the end, they are more able to fight stronger foes but there is a lot of push that comes with it (notice Gantz having to shrink the area to force them into combat with Nuri). In this sense of having soldiers who want to go out and kill enemies without any fear of their own death, a Knob or George is much more valuable than any Tokyo member. That is why Gantz would want "nihilistic Thrill seekers" over a trained army. It causes quicker results with less effort.
    That argument is rooted in the assumption that we have a clear view of Gantz's motives. But does Gantz's behavior actually show favoritism towards Hunters like George or Izumi?

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    Well, one thing we are certain of is that Gantz keeps track of those that have reached the 100 point mark. Remember how Izumi had the magic gantz ball where after being shaken, it tells him to go on a killing spree... From this, we can conclude that Gantz likes the ones that killed to 100 points and if possible would try to call them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dingo View Post
    That argument is rooted in the assumption that we have a clear view of Gantz's motives. But does Gantz's behavior actually show favoritism towards Hunters like George or Izumi?
    The favouritism issue has been made into a thread by Tousen long ago.
    We can only theorize, but as far as the mini-black ball goes, even if something similar is given to every person that chooses option 1, only Izumi was directly contacted.
    However, contrary to Skrymir's point, I personally think Gantz have a preference for people that somehow come to apreciatte or be remarkably efficient in the hunts, not only people who have reached 100 pts.
    I think Nishi, Izumi and Kurono are Gantz's players of choice, but that doesn't mean the ball would make any effort to guarantee their lives.
    The only hints to a preference we might have are either the special rule - Gantz warned Kurono, so that he would do his job, he could've just left him alertless if he wanted him to really die - and Izumi's mini-blackball. There's also the matter of the nicknames which I brought up at the said thread, but nowadays I don't think that hold much significance.

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    It' still interesting that Gantz chooses civilians for the game. If the system is controlled by secret infrastructure (let's call it 'NERV', lol) than why not real trained soldiers? The only answers this could have, is that it's not controlled by any government, but a underground organisation in disguise. If every country has several Gantz balls - let's say Japan has only two - then how many active Gantz soldiers are there, like 100 000 ~ 200 000 Gantzers on earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Sheep View Post
    It' still interesting that Gantz chooses civilians for the game. If the system is controlled by secret infrastructure (let's call it 'NERV', lol) than why not real trained soldiers? The only answers this could have, is that it's not controlled by any government, but a underground organisation in disguise. If every country has several Gantz balls - let's say Japan has only two - then how many active Gantz soldiers are there, like 100 000 ~ 200 000 Gantzers on earth?
    Gantz can only recruit people who died, where it/he has no effect on. If no soldiers or talented players die, He can't revive any.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    The only hints to a preference we might have are either the special rule - Gantz warned Kurono, so that he would do his job, he could've just left him alertless if he wanted him to really die - and Izumi's mini-blackball. There's also the matter of the nicknames which I brought up at the said thread, but nowadays I don't think that hold much significance.
    The rule meant more ''profit'' for gantz than a dead kurono. He was killing the boss and a shit lot of aliens/dinos, he organised and saved the whole team as well. Not to mention... if kurono died all the new members would've died sooner or later as well, because they were left in the dark about gantz. I think it was necessary for gantz to teach kurono a lesson without killing him allready.

    The only favouritism, gantz has, is anti favouritism towards Katou. Gantz constantly mocks katou by leaving him last to transport back with hard injuries or other shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBO THE SPACEMONKEY View Post
    The only favouritism, gantz has, is anti favouritism towards Katou. Gantz constantly mocks katou by leaving him last to transport back with hard injuries or other shit.
    Lawl. Never thought of that, but it's totally right.
    The question is why? Does Gantz hate hypocrites?

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    Gantz isn't neutral to all Gantzers. This should be clear. And you can say Gantz is cynical but helpful.

    From the perpective of Gantz, it might be quite bothersome to see so many people fail who were brought to the room and to be only in a very passive position. Gantz is interested in victorious Gantzers, but on the same cold blooded.
    The question is what's the core interest of Gantz to do it like this.

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    Gantz still stores talented people, like the sniper and Izumi. If Gantz recognizes the power of different Gantzers why is he holding them stored in his data bank if he could use them for better.
    The reviving option had only reason in the past, meaning Gantzers would put all effort into getting points aka killing aliens to revive someone. But this option is useless regarding the much worthier weapons option and the upcoming danger of more and more powerful aliens.

 

 
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