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    darkus-s6 is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by teiohx View Post
    I went back and read some of this stuff in Japanese again (I usually read it in English at onemanga since its the most convenient and I only have a fourth of the series in hard copy)... And found more to add to the "HS is going to die" theory bin. For some odd reason, Oku seemed to find it important to foreshadow the time it takes for the H-gun to fire. When George and Knob meet the bird-like alien that kills a bunch of low-level Osaka gantzers and the alien chick Kuwabara was raping, George is challenged to kill the thing within one minute. With 1 second to go, he pulls the trigger and scorches the thing. Knob then tells him that he was a second late. If accurate, that means the delay time on the H-gun is a mere 2 seconds. Considering that in the second to last page, the top frame features the katakana ”シュツ” (didn't notice this before) which directly sounds out the English "shoots".... then we have a frame (1 second) of the gun lighting up... then another frame of Nuri's eyes lighting up in response (1 second)... the next moment should be the blast (though, it could also be guessed that the guns charge-up and Nuri's eye light up occur at the exact same time). HS has 1 second or less to not be nuked and likely doesn't even realize he's been shot at due to the delay and a lack of visible projectile.

    There's a lot of foreshadowing in this arc that validates this outcome... which, knowing Oku, is maybe the one reason it won't happen this way. Normally, though, he tends to hint at what's to come.
    If Oku can make a goatee and a yet to see finger appear and disappear at will, I don't think he would have much trouble adding a couple of seconds to the delay of the H-gun =p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duststorm View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks Nuri is still alive?

    I doubt blasting it into pieces and slicing in half will do the job. It survived being liquefied and that also was a surprise attack by Nishi.

    So why would this surprise attack be any different?
    Well, there's the whole "next chapter: the climax of the Osaka arc" thing, plus "his time came", which I think most, including myself, are taking as Oku's announcement of Nuri's defeat.

    And for the surprise attack matter, we don't know if Nishi's h-gun blast was a surprise attack to Nuri; he could've been able to "see invisible" in all forms, we can't be sure.
    And this time, not only Nuri was certainly taken by surprise, he was sliced in half while in laser-eye mode, also theorized to be a possible weakness.

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    The whole 'death of Nuri' also reminds me of the end of the Oni Boss. Izumi and Kurono started their last attack on the last pages of one chapter, then on the first pages of the next chapter, the boss was killed.

    Something similiar seems to be happening here: Katou charges the H-Gun, Host Samurai slices Nuri from behind, next chapter the remains of Nuri get flattened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    Well, there's the whole "next chapter: the climax of the Osaka arc" thing, plus "his time came", which I think most, including myself, are taking as Oku's announcement of Nuri's defeat.

    And for the surprise attack matter, we don't know if Nishi's h-gun blast was a surprise attack to Nuri; he could've been able to "see invisible" in all forms, we can't be sure.
    And this time, not only Nuri was certainly taken by surprise, he was sliced in half while in laser-eye mode, also theorized to be a possible weakness.

    I'm actually surprised people still "don't know" if it was aware of Nishi or not. I think it definitely was aware of him. If the suzuki alien that killed Nishi could see him with the cloaking on it isn't a far cry to say that Nuri couldn't as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Nuri let it happen so that he could adapt and transform into a different form (the next one being the ultra powerful one with a seemingly invisible attack).

    On that note, I think he was able to find Oka, because he had already fought and adapted to Oka. In the case of Anzu and the two Tokyo members who caught him by surprise, he never fought any of them up to that point. Kyou also took him by surprise... in fact, with Kyou he wasn't even expecting to be attacked at all which is perhaps why that was his most vulnerable form.

    Ironically, i think that from an "assassination" point of view, Nuri is an extremely weak alien and that is why he had the two lesser bosses as bodyguards (they essentially prevented Nerdo from ending this 20-some chapters ago).

    ... a sort of alien nearsightedness is his major problem.

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    Wow, another woman falls in love with Katou and sacrifices herself. And all in one mission. Here's a big M.O. about when Oku is going to off a girl: If she falls in love with Katou, she's gonna die.

    The chapter was pretty epic. I guess it turns out that Oka was just some lucky/sneaky shmuck after all. But the Tokyo Gantz team used their brains, and now Nuri looks like he's in pretty bad shape. If HS's surprise attack doesn't off him, then Katou's probably going to turn him into pancake mix.

    I don't think he's pulled the trigger yet. For one thing they would have shown it. For another doing that when Nuri had warning may have made everyone else's effort go to waste. But after HS's attack, if he ain't dead yet I don't think he will be in any position to ready himself for a subsequent H-Gun flattening.

    So either HS gets the 100 points or Katou will in the next chapter. Chances are that if Katou gets the 100 points, he may want to revive Anzu instead. But it's likely that when this Mission ends, both teams will return to their "home offices". That means Anzu will be in the roster of the Osaka Gantz Ball, and Katou won't be able to revive her. So instead he may revive Kishimoto who died in a similar matter. On the other hand he might revive Kurono but that seems like something too early in the Phase. And I think Katou's going to make some changes to how the team goes about missions before Kurono comes back (maybe he gets a stronger weapon). On the other hand maybe HS gets the kill and revives Kurono to avoid being bitch slapped by Reika everytime they're in the Gantz Room.

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    well i dont think there will be points soon, this plan seems to me like something katou just pulled out of his ass to look cool and nuri wont die yet lol.
    Btw was there gantz before nuri? i cant remember how it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teiohx View Post
    I'm actually surprised people still "don't know" if it was aware of Nishi or not. I think it definitely was aware of him. If the suzuki alien that killed Nishi could see him with the cloaking on it isn't a far cry to say that Nuri couldn't as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Nuri let it happen so that he could adapt and transform into a different form (the next one being the ultra powerful one with a seemingly invisible attack).
    Well, you can't really assume that only because Nuri could see invisible in his later form, he could see it beforehand. As you said, it seemed like he had an adaptation capacity (I say seemed, because I discard that idea now, otherwise the x-rifles shouldn't affect him), nor the sword. And we can't really give credit to Oku for consistence anyway...
    1000 arms could see invisible, the Tanaka managed to find Nishi after he had stepped on a young tanaka; from that point on he might have used his sonic shit as a sonar, dunno... but that's also unclear.
    The aliens are different, even Oka who managed to get a 100 pointer before found Nuri too much for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dingo View Post
    I don't think he's pulled the trigger yet. For one thing they would have shown it.
    See the front of the gun, it's off.
    Gantz 277 page 17 | One Manga
    Now it's on.
    Gantz 277 page 24 | One Manga
    Katou pulled the trigger.

    You're not serious about HS reviving Kurono, right? That almost falls into "Oka is really Kurono" crazy plot twist...
    Last edited by Cali; 07-27-2008 at 04:58 PM.

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    Oh, nice observation. Didn't realize Katou really pulled the trigger of the H-Gun before HS attacked Nuri.

    So there will be an impact on Nuri (and HS?) next chapter...

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    I would be laughing so hard if HS got his legs blown off and everyone shit their pants but it turned out he still makes it back to the Gantz room. Still don't like the thought of either HS or Katou getting the points since we all know where both would be going with there points. I say someone else needs the points (besides Reika) or something...anyone at all. Hell, I would love to see Takeshi get the points for no reason, maybe Countryside General pulls out a X-Gun from somewhere since hes still alive, never confirmed where he is since they hull him out to somewhere though.
    Last edited by Gunmetal Gray; 07-27-2008 at 05:11 PM.
    Maybe.

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    ^ I don't know where they'd be going with the points. I only know where they wouldn't be going with the points.
    HS: 3
    Katou: 1, 2

 

 
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