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    Cali is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Somehow the post I was preparing just got deleted nearing his completion.
    So I'll cut things short: I liked Sakata, I don't blame him for Kurono's death (if that was the case I'd have to blame Sakurai and Nishi too), I just found Shin's comment interesting, and I don't think Sakata's decision is censurable in any way.

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    YES I R T3H KURONO FANBOY!!!
    SO SUE ME!!!
    Well, to be honest, it has very little to do with Sakata being possibly responsible for Kurono's death. Until you mentioned it, I never thought of it on those terms. It's a "what if", and there's no point in getting angry over a "what if". In any case, Oku decided Kurono/Izumi had to die to further the plot, and they died. The way in which they die does not really matter when you think of it in those terms. It has more to do with a general dislike for Sakata as a character. I was okay with him until he bombed that Gantz makes life cheap/i don't want to be revived. Ever since then, thinking about him gives me bad vibes or something.
    Still Bobo's got the right of it wrt to "good riddance" (it's also a wink to the people who voted on that "who thinks sakata will be revived" thread, on which I voted NO!!! - I was venting my frustration there. It's an opinion, and has got nothing to do with the argument. Otherwise, the chain of events I highlighted was correct, and I did specifiy it was a maybe. Sakata was thinking as a normal human being when he thought "screw Izumi". Kurono used to think exactly the same way as Sakata - Remember the first Vampire Attack - he actually says it - I won't help you, you are just reaping what you've sown.
    However, this is an emotional response, not a rational one. Setting aside the chain of events leading to Kurono's death, and any discussion as to how Sakata's intervention could have broken it, in real terms, not watching for team members you don't like simply translates into one less team mate, which means greatly reduced survival chances for everyone else. It was part of my argument that the lessons we learned from Gantz is that's it's not very different from a job:
    "Your pay, you get a second chance at life. Life is invaluable, yes? In exchange, you have to work for me. I don't care how you get it done, as long as it's done. Just make sure you respect the rules. I can't be bothered letting you know what they are, and oh they might change without notice"
    The attitude should therefore be a work-like mindset. Even if you hate the person who collects data on the field, you still have to work with him, and need to help him out when he's in trouble, because if he is gone, then there is no one else who can do what he can. I was saying that mainly wrt to Nishi and Kuwie Buwie (Izumi, being dead, is a non-issue). Anzu described him as someone who'd rape anything female, and he only confirmed that with by forcing his ...manhood... on Nuri. Katou still saved him. Well, Nishi too. Which is why I also added that the argument was kind of moot since we now have Katou - He'll save everyone no matter who they are what they've done.
    Oh, and while I am it, every time the issue of Izumi/Kuron not dying pops up, someone eventually says - Big deal. Just how much of a difference would it have made v. Nuri? My two cents, a lot. Like I pointed out, leaders/super players are important. Everytime one of them attempted something, we got an important hint/turnaround wrt Nuri. Sakata showed that Nuri could be delayed viz psychic attacks (A hint that Cherry/Katou did not pick up, sadly), Oka gave Katou a hint a possible weakness, Kaze restored everyone's hope with a big "don't give up!" and Katou picked up where he left off. If Kurono/Izumi were still there, that would have meant two more lifelines before we are down to the last desperate strategy. Two more chances to figure out his weakness. Even when things are as bad as Nuri, It's always better to have more reliable people, than less.
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
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    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    ^ Well, on the "saving fellow team-mate, even though he's killed you, to improve survival rating", that's one way to see it, but we must also take into account that there's a limited number of enemies, and if you let a powerhouse get them all, you won't gather enough points to free yourself or improve your equipment. Having more hunter does improve survival chances, but also might lessen your own oportunity.
    As for all the rest, almost needless to say agreed.

    Though Reika's leadership to a certain point, wasn't all that bad. Had she followed Inaba's advice, none of them would have survived, most likely.
    (just a minor remark)

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    ^On that, i think it's alright to think that way as far as small fries (1-10 points) are concerned, remembering NKG and the 50 pointers, one of them "called" the boss and the others sat back. We all know how that ended. Of course, they thought he was joking about being in danger and that was why he died, but the message here was that you simply can't hold back against bosses/sub-bosses. Pummel em with everything you've. Taking a second to think about who gets the points might be a second spent not killing it too many.
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    i think....u must use joor brain to survive any mission...

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    Quote Originally Posted by makerror View Post
    i think....u must use joor brain to survive any mission...
    Not only survive, but make some 'profit' from it.
    For ezample: points, sexz with chickz with big titz, Moar sexz, and many more... sex.
    ^_^
    Oh yes, and respect from other members of team.
    That's the theory anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DafZT View Post
    Not only survive, but make some 'profit' from it.
    For ezample: points, sexz with chickz with big titz, Moar sexz, and many more... sex.
    ^_^
    Oh yes, and respect from other members of team.
    Having sex in Gantz = You becoming a good Gantzer? (that seems to be the trend lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by makerror View Post
    i think....u must use joor brain to survive any mission...
    Using your brain will get you through most "bog standard" Gantz missions, but for when that fails you need allies .... Though if you used your brain you would have allies (a team)

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    ^ no double post. This is a warning, the real thing would probably self-destruct your computer.

    The message in this arc to me is that everything has a breaking point no matter how long its been there. The ones deemed to be heros or gods all will die eventually because they are to caught up with the idea of being the greatest to see the downfalls before its too late.

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    ^ ya, agree.
    The osakans were all high and mighty, now most of 'em dead.
    How Oka faced nuri, without a second thought, though his retreetement was 'out of ordinary' in such situation, not hero'ish
    That's the theory anyway.

 

 
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