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    Mellow_Yellow is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Default Is Gantz answerable to someone or something else?

    I have been thinking about it recently and i believe the answer is yes. I don't think Gantz sets the rules or at least not all the rules. So i believe that someone else sets the rules for gantz to follow and the only time that he avoids the rules is when he finds a loop hole.

    My point is that Gantz only takes people who have died recently as new recruits. His technology is obviously of the level that he could take anyone and anything he likes into the gantz room but only has taken dead people. He even goes as far as i encouraging Izumi to kill people specifically for gantz recruitment. He even requires that Izumi, who would willingly participate, must die in order to re-enter gantz. So obviously Gantz is not calling all the shots.

    The only people who entered gantz without dying are the vampires and they did so by using a loophole.

    anyway discuss.
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    I agree. I do think there's someone more powerful or behind it. I'm also wondering about that guy in the black ball.

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    I'm currently writing a small essay on this subject for my Gantz Phase Two RPG book. It seems to me, that the German Group mentioned at the end of Phase One has something to do with it, whilst someone, possibly government agents like with the Chibi cover-up, covered up the Gantzers ever being in Ikebukuro and existing in the first place. The two or three may be linked, with the German group being more like a mason group than a cult or w/e, with agents/members everywhere, hidden behind the scenes.
    It also seems that if humans were responsible for the Gantz orbs around the world, that they were part of the group that adapted their own copies of the giant German orb. Its also unknown just what could have been in the Giant orb; a giant alien? all the small orbs that the group spread across the world? That could be discussed too. Plus, are there aliens or humans within the orbs? If they are humans were they placed in there as a masonic holy sacrifce, as "chosen ones" to fulfill whatever this group or the orbs are planning?
    At its basics the orb seems to scan its entire city until it finds a mass outbreak of aliens in an area, then it scans again for people who are dying within an unspecified space of time to use as hunters against this group. The possible reason for recruiting the dead that I could think of was if dead are used to hunt, no actual lives are at risk.

    This is all my personal conjecture, so feel free to debate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikari View Post
    The possible reason for recruiting the dead that I could think of was if dead are used to hunt, no actual lives are at risk.
    I disagree with this because, as Mellow Yellow said, Gantz asked Izumi to kill people and he had to die again to re-enter the game.

    If Gantz care about risking lives, he/it wouldn't asked Izumi to kill a lot of innocent people. So for some reason to become a gantzer you must be dead (or cheat like the vampires)

    But I've been thinking, Gantz message doesn't say anything about killing people, perhaps there was another way to send people to gantz room that Izumi didn't know. So in that way your theory about not risking lives could be true

    Maybe it's a bit confusing, but it's the better way I found to express my thoughts

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    Although it'd kind of kill the awe about the center of the story being a black ball with a man inside to whom people refer to as Gantz, since there are many different black balls - we don't even know if that's only the name for the Tokyo ball, merely a nickname or an official name stated by the ball itself to earlier members - it would be reasonable to expect some sort of higher power.

    @ Ikari: For the dead people, there are several explanations possible. One is having the hunters in Gantz debt - he did "save" them from death - or ressurect them, whatever you prefer - and all the psychological implications of it (it's easier to somehow accept being a slave that way, rather than thinking you were forcefully abducted - like the Vampires, we could say). Two would be not drawing much attention, dead people are dead; they would be more likely to make a ruckus out of it if they were alive at first and were just suddenly transferred.

    And the consideration for people is a dangerous thought, the same as Gantz goal really being ridding the world of aliens for people's sake. IF Gantz objective is really alien extermination, then it could very well be to satisfy a still unkown greater purpose of either the ball or whoever's in charge. Humans are killed all the time, and Gantz message to Izumi was pretty much "kill a lot of humans", for the only way into the room is being dead, so "Bring as many people as possible" is pretty much that. Even if there was a way to bring people in that Izumi didn't know... that would be just the same as asking him to kill people, since Gantz didn't tell him the method and would likely know Izumi didn't know.

    Gantz didn't say "Kill strong people", he said "bring as many people as possible", and Izumi did his job. How many people was it? Around 300 hundred deaths? How many people were brought into the room? 24 (counting Izumi and Kurono), plus Hoi Hoi.
    Gantz doesn't appear to regard human life, he has set a hunt on a human, and regardless of being a rule or not, people had their heads blown if outside of the hunt area.
    Gantz has brought Kurono back from the dead when Izumi killed him, but didn't bother bringing him back when HS did it. For all we know, Gantz acts as he see fit, and doesn't give that much of a shit to humans as much as he gives to aliens.

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    Fair Enough. It makes me think though, that Gantz planned all of the Izumi thing as to have him replace Kurono. Warning: mass conjecture in a mild fanfic format;

    After Kurono uses his xgun on Gantz, this angered Gantz and he saw Kurono as a liability, needing to get rid of him (thus eventually sending him alone to battle the Chibi). However, if Kurono is gone, there are no vets to teach the newbs come the next hunt after and the newbs become a liability, so Gantz scans for people who freed themselves, finding Izumi. He then puts his plan into action, getting rid of Kurono (via the Chibi hunt) then after when Gantz begins to set up the Kappe hunt, gives Izumi the message to get himself into Gantz, being the vet from now on. However, Gantz messes up as Kurono survives and when he beats Izumi (this is where plot-holes appear) he decides to give Kurono another chance. Maybe.

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    ^ Whereas the Chibi mission could and most likely was done like that in order to teach Kurono a lesson (I'm your boss, sucker), I don't think Gantz thought Kurono as a threat even once. There's no way he can be a threat, there's no way any Gantz weapon would work against him, as well as any other weapon (like HS sword being halted - pretty much the same as Tetsu's inability to shoot his x-gun, and the same with the doors, walls, etc). So no one brought to the room is a threat to Gantz. They might be a threat among themselves - Nishi killing zoku d, the vampires maybe turning against the hunters, etc - but never a threat to the ball itself, nor to the room, I supose.
    If Gantz wanted Kurono gone, he wouldn't have loaded him after Izumi killed him. We know there was no random picking that time, if ever.
    And Izumi's attitude isn't exactly "hello, people, I'll be your guide in the world of Gantz & Aliens". I see no plot hole, Izumi had to die in order to get into the room. He was going to kill himself if Kurono hadn't killed him.
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    ^Well, I wouldn't say most likely a lesson... there are good theories explaining why it wasn't a lesson (some of which are put forward by me) but 1) I can't be bothered looking for them, and 2) It's already been discussed before.
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    Too true, but since we're still a week away from 272, ocasional repitition and redundance is usual, I think.

    That said, there's also the personality molding idea or just Oku finding an easy way to add a time over mission for us to see what would happen.
    It could very well be also a bright miracle, in which none died in time for being recruited.

    Anyway, about the lesson thing, I'm not of the opinion Gantz wanted Kurono to die, just have some fun with him and incidentally showing Kurono his place - which worked, as we've seen the state he was in when he got back. Also, it's not about the mission being tough or not (I revisited Tousen's thread to check the earlier posts you mentioned), Kurono indeed could manage, but he lost his friends in the previous mission and was all alone again, this time facing aliens, that adds to a bitter feeling and expectation.

    And just so this is connected to the topic... although Gantz might have some sort of superior, he is at least permited to manage the hunts as he pleases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    And Izumi's attitude isn't exactly "hello, people, I'll be your guide in the world of Gantz & Aliens". I see no plot hole, Izumi had to die in order to get into the room. He was going to kill himself if Kurono hadn't killed him.
    I loled at that and it made me imagine a gantz hunt, probably in another country in which the experienced players welcome the new players in a stewardess-like fashion. While it sounds ridiculous remember that nishi told the guys they were in a tv contest (manga) in the first hunt.

 

 
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