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    ^ But that laptop and that cam-or-whatever-thing had some brands stamped on, most likely they were brought to the room.
    Also, their color is not black as most other Gantz equipments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    ^ But that laptop and that cam-or-whatever-thing had some brands stamped on, most likely they were brought to the room.
    Also, their color is not black as most other Gantz equipments.
    Hmm, you're right. It seems like the Camera is somehow modded to take pictures from the X-Gun scanner and upload the image into the computer via USB (when I first read the issue I thought the computer was directly hooked up to the X-Gun via USB), which then displays the points of the target in the image. Now the question is that if this isn't standard Gantz equipment, then from where does the computer access such information?

    Certainly it must be a network of some type but would Gantz really be so stupid as to create an online database that anyone could access or hack into. Perhaps Gantz has it's own server that players can somehow access (100 points for a pass code possibly?), off course Gantz leaves it up to the players own ingenuity of how to utilize this server in missions hence the camera and computer are something that one of the Osakans came up with.

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    ^ That's been debated a few times now; though the computer is not provided by Gantz, the software should, because it decyphers the code Gantz uses in his equipment.
    Something that versatile could've been given by Gantz... but maybe it could've been developed by some crazy veteran or just a nerd.
    Or it could be as you said, which's an interesting theory by the way.

    I believe we're all hoping for a 2nd phase manual...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    ^ That's been debated a few times now; though the computer is not provided by Gantz, the software should, because it decyphers the code Gantz uses in his equipment.
    We still don't know whether Gantz equipment is compatible with computerized software. It looks like the camera is a makeshift vector between the X-Gun scanner and the computer. I guess it all depends on whether Gantz technology was developed by humans or aliens.

    Something that versatile could've been given by Gantz... but maybe it could've been developed by some crazy veteran or just a nerd.
    Or it could be as you said, which's an interesting theory by the way.
    Versatility is the name of the game. The whole program seems to be a Darwinist experiment in which the subjects are provided with the resources but need to learn how to use them.


    I believe we're all hoping for a 2nd phase manual...
    God I hope so.

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    Its been a while, but heres an update based on my current rereading of Phase One.

    The sight activation of weaponry

    The sights are not constantly recording. It takes a pull of one trigger on a weapon to turn it on. This can be seen most clearly on the page where Kurono adjusts his xgun power to pop a bottle. He pulls one trigger and the next panel has the x-ray hum into life with a "kyuiii" kind-of sfx.

    With the xgun this can be either trigger. Now when the ygun is involved, in the statue hunt Kato is shown firing numerous ropes at 1000 arms so it can be assumed that there are different trigger combos for firing a rope, sending and the homing shot. Obviously pulling one trigger would activate the sending/click the digicam sight on (I have seen no panels where the hunters can see bones with the ygun).

    Next on Nishi's website, there seems to be a list of dates on the left column, going from November 99, a rough year before the events of Phase 1, and possibly Nishi's entry into the Gantz room (which in the manual is listed as November 200X -1). This shows that Phase 1 is set from winter 2000 through 2001. It also feasibly shows the number of hunts Nishi went on excluding the Tanaka hunt (six for those who want to know). There is the problem that the last update is set just after the Tanaka hunt (mid January 2001) explained by
    a) Oku had not written the manual when the website was first shown to Kurono by Izumi, thus he may have changed the date of the Onion hunt.
    b) Nishi had a forum or allowed public posts and that is the date of the last entry.
    Now also in the manual it states Izumi left the gantz room in 200X -1. Only one entry for that year (1999) is stated, that of Nishi's first hunt. This would show that Nishi knew Izumi from his first hunt, against the Jeans Aliens in Shinjuku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikari View Post
    With the xgun this can be either trigger. Now when the ygun is involved, in the statue hunt Kato is shown firing numerous ropes at 1000 arms so it can be assumed that there are different trigger combos for firing a rope, sending and the homing shot. Obviously pulling one trigger would activate the sending/click the digicam sight on (I have seen no panels where the hunters can see bones with the ygun).

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    Chaper 17 page 120 we see Nishi first using the Y gun, to send out three things with a line connecting them, as a triangle. This wraps around the onion alien, and then the three things plant themselves into the ground.

    How many places was it used at, and how many different things come out?

    Chapter 86 page 74 is where it is seen again being fired at the boss of the Temple mission. I don't see any difference there from the first time it was fired.

    The manual is from the Anime not the Manga though. Was it different in the Anime?
    Last edited by Thats the Theory Anyway; 07-30-2008 at 02:48 AM.

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    Actually, I had posted about a theory concerning how the triggers worked for the y-gun on page 2...
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    Ikari, I'm interested in knowing more about the y-gun and its triggers; the upper trigger is used to lock, pretty much like the x-equipment, and both triggers must be pulled in order to shoot, in case the rope, right? And then, in order to send, once the target is already entrapped, does one need to press both triggers again or just the bottom trigger?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    ^ The thing is, they don't really need to know the top button is used to lock on to pull the trigger, and all that "I pulled both triggers" and "pull both triggers" mentions make me wonder that although the top trigger has the isolated function of locking, the bottom trigger doesn't necessarily work by itself too. As for the y-gun, maybe the bottom trigger works by itself after the target is trapped by the ropes, but that's just conjecture based on Katou's thoughts while facing 1000 arms.

    As for how many times the y-gun is used;
    1. Nishi against Onion Dad/hit
    2. Kurono against regular Tanaka/ miss
    3. Kurono against regular Tanaka/ hit
    4. Katou against 1000 arms/ miss
    5. Katou against 1000 arms/ hit (used the locking feature)
    6. Katou against the monster attacking the family/hit
    7. Katou against "Pyonta"/hit
    8. Katou against giant/ miss
    9. Katou against giant/ hit
    10. Katou against Tengu / hit, but Tengu breaks free
    11. Katou against Nuri / miss

    Some sure things about the y-gun
    The top trigger locks on.
    Pulling both triggers the rope is fired.
    After the target is captured, a new trigger action is needed.

    What's unknow? Whether it's necessary to pull both triggers or just the bottom one. But I'm guessing it's both triggers, since that's how all weapons seem to work, regardless of locking.

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    I think I might've misread this.

    There is only one possible thing that can fly out of the gun then?

    I was thinking he meant you could click one trigger and select various things. Doh! Nevermind. My mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    The manual is from the Anime not the Manga though. Was it different in the Anime?
    The manual covers both, anime and manga. The thing is, the first pages are about the anime, and the rest about the manga. The part that covers the manga has extensive info, like points value up to the Ring Alien mission, a chronogram, info on the vampires, info on the weapons, etc. Lots of useful things, but it hasn't been translated into English yet, only the first thirty pages, which cover the anime.

    And for the y-gun anchors, they are always three, Y; one anchor for each part of the letter Y.
    Last edited by Cali; 07-30-2008 at 03:59 AM.

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    I think its the bottom trigger for sending. Both triggers are needed to launch the anchors and the top trigger needs to be pulled first to lock-on so that means it cant be that for the sending, as the missed anchors in the 1000 arms-Kato fight would be sent and theres no lock-on.
    The thing is the ygun has hairline triggers and its hard to see which one is pulled in a panel when its shown.

    So is everyone cool with the other stuff from my post (about the sights and Nishi's past hunts)?

 

 
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