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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    The point of locking has never been quite clear to me - I mean, even if you have locked, if you move the gun away from your line of fire, then pulling the trigger will just make the shot go in whichever direction you are aiming at...
    The only point behind "locking" that I can think of is that it allows you to blow something up from within.
    Is locking a requirement for shooting? No: Take the last chibi - he lunges for Tae, then turns around to see Kurono camping behind the pillar - given the delay on the gun, i don't really think that Kurono had time, in that split second, to lock, make sure he had locked, then shoot. So that can only mean that the gun has a speed fire feature.
    However, even in the case of obvious "speed fire", as far as I can remember, I have never seen a "surface" explosion in Gantz - everything always seems to implode, so the "speed fire" must also include locking - hence the conclusion that to "speed shoot" you have to pull both triggers at once... or at the very least, every gantzer that used a "speed fire" and hit, used both triggers.
    A lot of conjecture here, I know...

    P/S: "Surface" explosion - digs a hemisphere, or less, into a surface.
    "Implosion" - Blows a complete sphere (or more than a hemisphere at the very least) within the object...
    The point of locking is probably to be able to get a good shot at something even if it moves or you're in a position where you can't get a good shot off. Like how Kurono used the lock-on feature with Izumi during their shoot-off. He didn't have time to both get a killing shot in and shoot, so he locked on and shot after he himself was shot, and we saw how effective that was.
    I think firing quickly instead of locking on works kind of like those hose-heads that have the locking trigger and the normal trigger. You press the lock to get a steady stream, but you press both for a quick burst.
    Also, spheres have nothing to do with explosions and implosions. Imploding means energy or substances being sucked inward while exploding means energy or substances expanding outwardly.

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    ^I thought about what you put up before, and these reasons did not strike me as right.
    Say you locked, and the target moved from the position where you got the lock... unless you keep your gun trained on the target as it moves, shooting then does nothing - it's not a lock in the same sense as locking a rocket launcher onto a target then shooting - or at the very least, it does not seem to work that way from what i have seen in the manga so far. So if you have to keep your gun on the target, then locking does not do much, does it?
    I can't really agree on your "can't get a good shot" argument either - You mean if your view was partly obstructed by say, a wall? Maybe that's true, but up until now, I have never seen an instance where the gun actually shoot "through" walls. Yes, well, it shoots through aliens that are as tough as concrete... but does it really? For all we know, it might make contact with the surface of the skin, and create some kind of reverberation into the body.
    As for your kurono-izumi statement... I don't get it... Izumi was straight in front of him... and standing still... how much harder was it than say, just aiming in the direction of Izumi using a "classic" crosshair?
    Anyway, that's not your point. You said Kurono did not have time to get a killing shot in - In my opinion, Locking, then shooting, takes a hell lot of time... more than say, firing three rapid shots in the general direction of the target - you are pretty much 100% sure of getting a hit in vs a stationery target, and given how the gun operates, a single hit on any section of the chest (the easiest part of the body to hit) = to a killing hit.
    Personally, I always believed that kurono's mental statements (the act of locking, etc) then was to emphasize the fact that he was deliberately killing a human being. It's not that he could not land a quick shot (considering he had no problems timing the shot for the last chibi alien) but rather, he still had qualms about killing a human being...
    Point noted on explosions and implosions - I meant internal explosion (I edited it) and whenever I write that down, I have this irresistible urge to write implosion (internal + explosion = in(m)plosion, lol). Thanks for pointing that out.
    That said, I don't quite understand the hose anology - isn't the "lock" feature meant to enhance accuracy? It's still a single shot even if you lock...

    By all means, Keep the Criticisms coming people. Makes Posting Worthwhile
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    ^I thought about what you put up before, and these reasons did not strike me as right.
    Say you locked, and the target moved from the position where you got the lock... unless you keep your gun trained on the target as it moves, shooting then does nothing - it's not a lock in the same sense as locking a rocket launcher onto a target then shooting - or at the very least, it does not seem to work that way from what i have seen in the manga so far. So if you have to keep your gun on the target, then locking does not do much, does it?
    I can't really agree on your "can't get a good shot" argument either - You mean if your view was partly obstructed by say, a wall? Maybe that's true, but up until now, I have never seen an instance where the gun actually shoot "through" walls. Yes, well, it shoots through aliens that are as tough as concrete... but does it really? For all we know, it might make contact with the surface of the skin, and create some kind of reverberation into the body.
    As for your kurono-izumi statement... I don't get it... Izumi was straight in front of him... and standing still... how much harder was it than say, just aiming in the direction of Izumi using a "classic" crosshair?
    Anyway, that's not your point. You said Kurono did not have time to get a killing shot in - In my opinion, Locking, then shooting, takes a hell lot of time... more than say, firing three rapid shots in the general direction of the target - you are pretty much 100% sure of getting a hit in vs a stationery target, and given how the gun operates, a single hit on any section of the chest (the easiest part of the body to hit) = to a killing hit.
    Personally, I always believed that kurono's mental statements (the act of locking, etc) then was to emphasize the fact that he was deliberately killing a human being. It's not that he could not land a quick shot (considering he had no problems timing the shot for the last chibi alien) but rather, he still had qualms about killing a human being...
    Point noted on explosions and implosions - I meant internal explosion (I edited it) and whenever I write that down, I have this irresistible urge to write implosion (internal + explosion = in(m)plosion, lol). Thanks for pointing that out.
    That said, I don't quite understand the hose anology - isn't the "lock" feature meant to enhance accuracy? It's still a single shot even if you lock...

    By all means, Keep the Criticisms coming people. Makes Posting Worthwhile
    When I said they can't get a good shot, I was leaning more towards the fact that a lot of enemies can dodge the blasts from a normal shot. Like, say, when Katou was fighting thousand arms and he missed a bunch of times while shooting regularly while when locked on the wires were able to get him.
    Actually, the lock on feature has demonstrated in the Kurono vs Izumi shoot out that if you point the gun clearly away from the target that it still hits.

    [URL="http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000012/00000133/16.jpg"]/URL]
    [URL="http://img16.onemanga.com/mangas/00000012/00000133/17.jpg"]/URL]
    http://http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/133/18/
    I kind of doubt those links work cause I'm a total noob at using them, but you can just follow the links anyways.
    As you can see, Kurono has Izumi's body still on the screen, even as he was laying on the floor with his arms spread out on the ground, and when he pulled the triggers, Izumi went boom. Evidence!

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    Okay... I see... You iz right... I iz P4WN3D!!!
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    Sorry...

    So, Kurono basically got a lock in, and then when he was on the ground, fired, even though his gun wasn't even remotely pointed in the direction of Izumi at all... Man, I read the manga more than five times, and i didn't even see that... this changes how i perceive gantz completely... If the gun can shoot down something without even having to aim... well, how do they work? Does gantz teleport in the explosion?
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    Personally based on the ygun info and stuff, I reckon it uses some kind of infrared homing system based on whatever life-form is in the sight, that or through the use of "unique magnetic forces", like the Soliton radar in MGS...

    And yeah, lock-on will get you anywhere as long as the holder keeps the trigger down and speed-firing, ie holding both triggers and letting go, only locks on to what was in the sight in that second the top trigger was held down, thus it can be dodged if your quick enough.

    OK, onto business...

    There was very little in katakana on the Gantz Bike, I recognised Taiya (Tyre), Shi-to (Seat) and Engine (cant remember how it was spelt ). It also mentioned under the Console paragraph, "Control Panel" but thats all I could read, sorry.

    Gantz Sword
    Again, very little, but it did say the blade is extended by a switch, and this can clearly be seen on the underneath of the handguard, touching the grip. There are also two bigger switch looking structures there that curl round the sides of the handguard and can be seen in most pictures, but I think these are just to do with the blade generation. I'll try and find a close-up pic in the manga of the switch to show what I mean.

    Gantz Sphere
    Unfortunately (yeah, I know, this is the one we really want to know about...), there was little I could read about Gantz itself, apart from some details saying about it giving personal messages to the hunters via its monitor. I read "menba" in the page, but it hasnt been referred to in any of the other stuff I read. I guess it mean's "member(s)" though I could have misread it and it is a reference to Gantz's memory. Either way, I couldnt read the sentence it turned up in. In the cockpit section it mentioned about a "frame" and a "seat", but I couldnt read anymore.

    For anyone who wants to see the Gantz Manual whose pages these are in, I just did a search for Gantz Manual RAW and got it here via Megaupload. The translated one only has the Onion hunt from the anime, but the RAW has everything. Well, thats all for now.

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    chapter 248 Don't worry about the scanlation being in french - I have the same one in the english version i have.
    Umm, a single question: Is the katana Kurono is holding a "normal" Katana? Does the manual contain a close up that can confirm whether or not that's the case?
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    Yeah, I noticed that a while back. Nah, its not in the Manual, I cant see any mention of it either. It hasnt to my knowledge been seen in the manga yet either (Oka seemed to use a regular sword on Nuri). Id guess its the 100 point sword. Just what it does and how its different to the regular one, dunno. Of course, it could have been dropped for the Power Fists that come with elbow swords anyway.

    Oh, I forgot to talk about the Controller.

    The map has two screens, the screen that shows the zone-area only, then it can be zoomed in (I guess using the stick, maybe clicking it in), to show the regular GPS map with the blips.
    A volume control is above the display, Im guessing the blips beep and beeps increase with proximity to the blips on the display. The volume of this can be controlled. My previous statement about the select and start buttons for changing modes seems true. It also seems that the antenna on its side links it directly to Gantz for the timer and stuff, though there might be satellites and w/e based on GPS and I couldnt translate all of it, so yeah

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    About two weeks ago, Kei-kun, founder of Gantz Otaku accepted my offer to revise some sections of the English version of the site. One of those was the Arsenal section. While reading the description of the x-gun, I came across "a little switch localized at the top of the X-Gun, that permits to set the fire power". Ar first I thought it might've been either new info from the manual or some crazy idea, but then just today I've noticed this: Gantz 119 page 04 | One Manga which not only proves there's a fire power adjustment, but that hitting only the bottom trigger does shoot, damn T-T
    Almost all my theories are usually shot down, this sucks.
    As for the already dead locking discussion, the time when Kurono kills all those raptors is also a feature achieved by using the marvelous "homing explosion", as well as locking Izumi's team during the Tae mission, I believe.

    @ Shin: Check this out: http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...ANTZ-M_207.jpg
    Gantz 248 page 02 | One Manga

    The "normal" Gantz sword apparently only has two "light circles"; Kurono's one aside from having cables has four circles, though probably, even though that area is black on Izumi's picture, that should be the two remaining circles. Anyway, when we see the swords on the floor, there's no sign of any cable, which suggests it should be some add-on or upgrade or just Oku being a nutcase.
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    Yeah, the power adjustor I noticed when Kurono used the xgun on a bottle of water. As for the firing with only the bottom trigger, reading v1 again, Blondie fires the xgun at the teacher pulling both triggers one after the other and the gun doesnt fire.
    I personally get annoyed when Oku changes the mechanics like that.

    More conjecture on the Ygun
    I think when the roped anchors are fired using both triggers, the sending is activated using the bottom trigger only as Katou misses a few times with it in the Nuri arc and what decides that these wasted shots dont get sent on the next attack? I think merely aiming the gun at the weighted anchors then using the bottom trigger activates the anchors (using an invisible laser activation, kinda like a remote control works with a tv to be put simply), allowing for Gantz to send the target.

    Now, for something interesting. I really used to think in Gantz that the hunters were purely doing genocidal acts, while looking at it, the ygun giving less points theory doesnt hold up, and we dont know what happens to these targets when sent, making Gantz want them dead or alive. He gives points to the hunter that catchs a target - basically I see the Gantz hunters as Earth's bounty hunters for non-human invasion threats, with Gantz being the hunt's contractor, rewarding hunters with points that is like its currency.
    Feel free to comment

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    So, with the x-gun you increase the power with the dial, and the x-shotgun you increase it by pumping up the gun? Is that it? Or do you just move the shotgun pump back all the way, that the same as turning a dial?

    Does the amount of energy you build up account for the delay in the firing of the gun, as well as how long it takes to explode once you hit a target?

    Because we've seen at times someone firing away with a weapon, and it exploding without delay, and other times they hitting something and it having a rather long delay before exploding.

 

 
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