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    Thats the Theory Anyway is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by illidan320 View Post
    I think that one was payback for Kurono threatening Gantz.
    Remember that chapter he pointed a gun at him and told him to bring Katou back?
    Gantz did the shorty as payback(He probably didn't plan on Kei surviving it)
    Yeah, I posted the same thing in the playing favorites thread before starting this one.

    I thought it a different subject, and didn't want to waylay another thread to start talking about something unrelated to the original topic.

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    I would think since there is a delay in the arrival of people in the first mission, several minutes apart, that Gantz just grabs whoever he can whenever they die. And he ends up with a dog, and a panda bear, plus a little kid and others, so he can't really tell who he is going to get. Surely this is everyone who died in that time period within a large city like Tokyo, he perhaps just scanning around and whatever he happens upon at the right time he gets. Does he stop when he gets a certain number, or just grab everyone he can within a certain time period?

    The number of people is thus determined by how many he can grab. During the first mission, we have Kurono and Kato who died together, and the two Yakuza most likely died together also. It wouldn't make sense that they died separately, at the same time, and just happen to know each other and be in the same line of work. So I believe we can assume they died together.

    So does that count as 4 people, or just 2 grabs into an area, he fishing back two for the price of one?

    When he hit the area after the massacre, he got a whole lot of people at about the same time, perhaps many in one single grab.

    Otherwise he'd just have Izumi machine gun people at a military base, and thus have some stronger soldiers to use.

    Of course, since you can bring someone into the room by touching them during transfer, it is a wonder that he didn't just send people out to gather good fighters, those who wanted to hunt, that way.

    In Osaka we see a whole lot of people in that room, apparently new and clueless, the alien invasion already underway and the aliens massacring a lot of people, thus where they all came from.

    If I wasn't lazy I'd count the number of new people in every mission, as well as the count of how many knew each other before hand and died together. They had two guys in the Temple mission that knew each other. Hmmm.. oh well.

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    Is there more than one team each Gantz sphere handles, is what I was thinking. What does it do with the rest of its time? You know the guy connected to the machine is playing RTS games online or looking for alien robot porn, or something, but what else is he up to in that black ball?

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    So, you are saying Nishi hated the game, and wanted to leave, but then why didn't he care about sharing the points in the first mission with the others. He let them kill the first alien, then waited for the second to appear, and even said he was going to let Kurono have the points. Since he was so close to getting a 100, I think if he wanted to go, he'd have been after that.

    He could've easily just sniped both from a safe distance with a rifle, and killed off everyone else himself, there no penalty for that.

    He insults Gantz, and doesn't care for him perhaps, but he still wants to be there. He likes watching stuff die also. I recall him asking Kurono something that suggested that. Plus he blew up that cat for fun outside a mission using an X gun.

    My point is, that I don't think he really wanted to leave that badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    I would think since there is a delay in the arrival of people in the first mission, several minutes apart, that Gantz just grabs whoever he can whenever they die. And he ends up with a dog, and a panda bear, plus a little kid and others, so he can't really tell who he is going to get. Surely this is everyone who died in that time period within a large city like Tokyo, he perhaps just scanning around and whatever he happens upon at the right time he gets. Does he stop when he gets a certain number, or just grab everyone he can within a certain time period?
    Except that Gantz has already stated he wants strong people on the team and he summoned Izumi back and two psychic and a crazy fighter. Course the others aren't as remarkable as those four (five if you re-count Kurono), but the black dudes who died could have potential, it was an unfortunate event that they died. Either way, Gantz do choose who he's going to get. As for the animals, just some fun OR to distract enemies, since they do give off a signal that's perceived by their targets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    The number of people is thus determined by how many he can grab. During the first mission, we have Kurono and Kato who died together, and the two Yakuza most likely died together also. It wouldn't make sense that they died separately, at the same time, and just happen to know each other and be in the same line of work. So I believe we can assume they died together.
    Ok, man, ok, we're talking about the Shinjuku massacre, that among other things, proves the deaths don't occur exactly at the same time and that Gantz can actually pick his hunters even hours before the mission starts.

    Seriously, sometimes you really make me wonder whether you're actually into Gantz or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    If I wasn't lazy I'd count the number of new people in every mission, as well as the count of how many knew each other before hand and died together. They had two guys in the Temple mission that knew each other. Hmmm.. oh well.
    I'm at loss as to why you would mention this.
    edit: Because even if people that died at the exact same time like Kurono and Katou only counted for one transfer, much like the vampires grabing reika and suzuki, they will all have their cases nice and tidy inside Gantz, which was one of the points for debating over the numbers of recruited people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    Is there more than one team each Gantz sphere handles, is what I was thinking. What does it do with the rest of its time? You know the guy connected to the machine is playing RTS games online or looking for alien robot porn, or something, but what else is he up to in that black ball?
    Now, THAT is an interesting thought. More than one team per region, it could be true. I'm not disqualifying this theory, but if that were so, it's possible the Osakan Gantz would preferrebly have summoned another osakan team to add to Oka's team. But this is just conjecture as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    So, you are saying Nishi hated the game, and wanted to leave, but then why didn't he care about sharing the points in the first mission with the others. He let them kill the first alien, then waited for the second to appear, and even said he was going to let Kurono have the points. Since he was so close to getting a 100, I think if he wanted to go, he'd have been after that.
    He insults Gantz, and doesn't care for him perhaps, but he still wants to be there. He likes watching stuff die also. I recall him asking Kurono something that suggested that. Plus he blew up that cat for fun outside a mission using an X gun.
    My point is, that I don't think he really wanted to leave that badly.
    There's no need to discuss this, man, Nishi clearly states he wanted to go free. Now, if you were saying he's a psycho, then alright, he does like grotesque stuff like killing for fun. He killed that cat or dog off mission, just for the heck of it (although I'm not sure that happens in the manga, I remember it did in the anime). Being a nasty guy doesn't mean he actually likes the thought of dying himself. (regardless of whether he died by suicide or not)
    As for giving the points to Kurono, well, let's say Nishi might not be as much of a prick as all that. He even told them stuff at the end. Maybe, and just maybe, he could even have been a little bit more helpful if Kurono hadn't disappointed him and Katou handn't rubbed him the wrong way. Oh, the IFs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    He could've easily just sniped both from a safe distance with a rifle, and killed off everyone else himself, there no penalty for that.
    Not caring whether people die and actually killing them is different, just a bit, but still is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    And concerning the time, now that you mention it, Izumi killed the people during daytime, and all missions (so far) are held by night time. Initially I thought the deaths should occur right before a mission starts, which would make it seem like Gantz is more powerful, creating new suits right in the blink of an eye, but now it seems like he has some time to prepare for the upcoming hunt, although the instantaneous suit creation is true at least in the vampires case.
    Yah, but the dino mission is funny because you can't be sure if its day or night. I always thought that it was in the daytime or evening. (or wherever it took place was very brightly lit.) You can easily tell that all the other missions took place at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBO THE SPACEMONKEY View Post
    I hope, that I didn't get you wrong, but shinjuku massacre started in the morning and the dino-mission (like every other mission) took part in the late evening or at night. Wonder how kurono could survive with a bullet in his chest for such a long time rofl. But I highly doubt that you can die days before the mission actually starts. Evidence or maybe not are the members from the dino mission and the teacher from the first mission, who died in an accident with his scooter. His dead was confirmed next day in tv. News won't report from an accident that happened days before. Dino mission, everyone in the room died in shinjuku otherwise they wouldn't have their last memories of the massacre.

    edit: FFS didn't bother to read calis post as it was too much.
    I guess your point is that Izumi is far less likely to come back than Kurono is, right?

    That said, I again must have posted something somewhere else on that Issue, but with the exception of the Muscle Rider Duo/Katou/HS, the Tokyo Team, if they were sent to Osaka to help out, have done absolutely nothing to earn their keep - I am thinking of the seven 'veterans' - Baldy/Dumbass/Cherry/Reika/Nishi/Inaba. It maybe that they are going to get their act together and Help out with Nuri, but somehow, I have this feeling that Oku wanted to show how little most of the Tokyo Gantzers are worth without their aces helping/guiding/driving them (Kaze/Katou/HS/Kurono/Izumi i consider among). So far they have shown they can take care of the small fry, but that's about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    About the deaths being reported the next day - I think if people are killed on thier 1st hunt, Gantz will reconstruct their dead body (like the school teacher and the old man from the 1st hunt), whilst the survivors like Kurono and Katou will have their bodies dissapear permamently, thus leaving no evidence of their actual death (plus this shows how the news story of them dissapearing after their accident comes in). I think as well, seeing as a girl photoed their bodies but it didnt show up that Gantz has something to do with that too (if they never survived they probably would eventually show up), seeing as Kurono and Katou seem to have been actively transferred before they were hit but Kurono remembers his last moments (flashes to him seeing Katou's head in early chapters and stuff).
    I just think its funny that they were the only ones to not be announced dead (not withstanding Kishimoto cos her transfer was messed up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    As for giving the points to Kurono, well, let's say Nishi might not be as much of a prick as all that. He even told them stuff at the end. Maybe, and just maybe, he could even have been a little bit more helpful if Kurono hadn't disappointed him and Katou handn't rubbed him the wrong way. Oh, the IFs...
    Building upon that keep in mind that he is an arrogant prick. Nishi started screwing with them on the first mission from their introduction to the room till the end of scoring when he used stealth to leave for the utter hell of it. His ego was at an all time high when we met him which would explain why points weren't an issue during the mission. After lasting multiple missions by himself using stealth he had nothing to fear at that time so allowing the first survivors he'd seen in a long time to score a few points is a rather cheap price for the endless amusement they gave him.
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    ^ Nishi certainly isn't your everyday friendly neighbor, but personally I don't think he's an all time prick at all. Take this into account: Ok, Kurono got him revived, he gets to meet an all new team, with a person he has fought with before (and most likely respected) and interacts with them, even if just for a bit. That wouldn't be enough to suddenly change his whole personality. He gave those people his number, or at least got their numbers. He even called to warn them about Izumi being attacked, though he didn't help himself. Of course that doesn't make his earliers attitudes any less bastardish, but I think he isn't all that screwed up either.

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    Well... true. He didn't have to warn them about Izumi's ordeal and you can rule out any malicious or self serving intent there since he had no idea Shion was responsible for murdering the entire team minus the kid and panda in the first place. Oku already established the overall lack of camaraderie between the two as seen during the conversation on the train. Plus he did save Kato from certain death so while he might turn over a new leaf eventually it's clear we won't see such a transformation for many chapters to come.
    In order to 'acknowledge' the 'irony' I would have to learn two new words today.

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    how many times do you think nishi got completely blown off as a stupid little kid when trying to explain the gantz game to new people? i think his secret game thing's (or whatever his reason for gantz was) probably the best way to get people to actually play and not just walk out. yeah he's an ass but if you look at his behavior he is just a middle schooler with an inferiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikari View Post
    About the deaths being reported the next day - I think if people are killed on thier 1st hunt, Gantz will reconstruct their dead body (like the school teacher and the old man from the 1st hunt), whilst the survivors like Kurono and Katou will have their bodies dissapear permamently, thus leaving no evidence of their actual death (plus this shows how the news story of them dissapearing after their accident comes in). I think as well, seeing as a girl photoed their bodies but it didnt show up that Gantz has something to do with that too (if they never survived they probably would eventually show up), seeing as Kurono and Katou seem to have been actively transferred before they were hit but Kurono remembers his last moments (flashes to him seeing Katou's head in early chapters and stuff).
    I just think its funny that they were the only ones to not be announced dead (not withstanding Kishimoto cos her transfer was messed up).
    I doubt that gantz can reconstruct an accident and all the happening around, which happened days before. The teacher probably died the evening, the mission was placed to start.

    @shini gami: I don't know about Izumi, afterall his (second) dead was confirmed in TV and everybody knows about it. It's hard to think of a lie if he's alive all of a sudden again. Anyway his case is totally diffrent. I am reffering to the nuubs who are about to have their first mission, if they are still revived by gantz even if they did die a few days before.
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