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    The general consensus has always been that Gantz doesn't give a crap about anyone and thats probably true...for the most part. But there has been some evidence that he...well, I don't want to say he cares about them...but that he may actually respect some of the team members and plays favorites.

    For instance, he used to call Nishi "Mr. Nishi". Not "dumbass" or "numbnutz lolz" or "shortzy" or anything like that. He listened to what Nishi said (for the most part" and they seemed to have a good "relationship" given the circumstances.

    Izumi. Gantz liked this guy so much that he actually made an effort to get him back after he chose freedom. Do you think it's a coincidence that his memories started coming back? Or that he was given that little black ball? Gantz probably transported it to his room at night some time after he chose freedom. And Gantz has never made fun of him during scoring.

    And then theres Kurono. You could easily make the case that Gantz hated this guy. He made fun of him, threatened him and even had them kill his girlfriend. Yet through all of this Kurono thrived and became (arguably) the best Gantzer we've ever seen. He probably developed respect for him. The kind you would have for a worthy adversary or rival. The kind a bully would have for the nerd who punched him in the nose as retaliation for picking on him. Plus Gantz could respect him because, let's face it, he got the job done.

    Which brings me to my real point The Osaka mission is probably the most dangerous mission the team has been on. It has 3 high level (60 and above) aliens including a 100 pointer. There are hundreds of aliens on it, some ridiculously weak and some decent. In terms of point potential it's even better than the Oni mission. So while being the most dangerous, it could also be the most rewarding.

    The timing of this mission has me thinking (I know, thinking is bad). The fact that this "buffet" was laid out before them as the mission right after Nishi and katou were brought back and (more importantly) after Izumi and Kurono were killed makes me think that Gantz might have actually set up this mission so that Tokyo would be able to get stronger, either by reviving strong Ganters or by getting strong weapons.

    The sheer number of points out there means that multiple members or Tokyo could get 100 points easily. Maybe even 100 points multiple times. The only issue would be the existence of Nuri and thats what the Osaka team is there for (yeah, yeah I know it's their city but work with me on this). For the most part (not counting Katou, Takeshi, Kaze and HS) Tokyo has done NOTHING and the Osakans have done just fine (except for the Nuri thing). If Oka ends up killing Nuri as most believe he will, then there was really no need for them to be there.

    If thats the case then what really is team Tokyo's purpose here other than to try to rack up points. Maybe Gantz wanted to give them a mission where it was possible for them to get as many points as possible for the purpose of bringing back Izumi and Kurono. Either that or he likes the current team and wants them to get stronger waepons.

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    The timing of this mission has me thinking (I know, thinking is bad). The fact that this "buffet" was laid out before them as the mission right after Nishi and katou were brought back and (more importantly) after Izumi and Kurono were killed makes me think that Gantz might have actually set up this mission so that Tokyo would be able to get stronger, either by reviving strong Ganters or by getting strong weapons.
    That's an interesting theory indeed. Not that what I'm gonna say now is exactly related but... Summoning the vampires might actually be just Gantz way of saying "do whatever you will, your efforts are less than nothing". By humiliating them through imprisonment (if he doesn't pull on a Tae mission on them by the time this one ends) he might actually be protecting the Tokyo team. And now I've just realized Izumi's team might've lost in the past - if the vampires had already been a target as it was said by that vampire back when Akira joined their ranks - they got out alive and it seemed like blondie had already face Izumi before. Up till now, except for the chibi alien, which wouldn't really be all that difficult if Kurono hadn't sorta snapped, no alien ever escaped. And it seems like Gantz chooses its targets when all members of a same species are in a suitable place for the hunt (for instance, even though the Oni thought of it as ganging up on the team and killing them, that actually backfired, so Gantz could've used that to his favor since the beginning). And now with the new no-timer rule...
    It's also interesting seeing as how things turned just right; if Katou hadn't been killed at that last moment, maybe Kurono wouldn't come to change so drastically. And then all the deal with Tae... The way the personality of the gantzers change also seem to be according to what Gantz desires. Now that Kurono and Izumi are gone, and seeing Katou as the only one really affected by it (in terms of actually wanting to do something about it instead of letting it go), maybe Gantz is trying to mold Katou into a better player, dunno.

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    Yeah Gantz does play favorites. I think the nicknames Gantz gives them can be either demeaning or affection. For example Kishimoto nickname titz or freak show is more demeaning. But the nicknames baldy or cherry seems more like Gantz way of having affection.
    I wonder why does Gantz like Nishi so much that he is given a respective name and allows him to have a website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
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    If thats the case then what really is team Tokyo's purpose here other than to try to rack up points. Maybe Gantz wanted to give them a mission where it was possible for them to get as many points as possible for the purpose of bringing back Izumi and Kurono. Either that or he likes the current team and wants them to get stronger waepons.

    Any thoughts?
    Anzu did tell Katou "YOU MUST BE HERE 4 THE POINTS" or something like it. So other teams must of did the same thing too. I often wondered why Oku brought the two teams together. Couldn't be to work together, that's not the Osakan way. So I say to adopt the others strengths or just 4 points. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    Summoning the vampires might actually be just Gantz way of saying "do whatever you will, your efforts are less than nothing". By humiliating them through imprisonment (if he doesn't pull on a Tae mission on them by the time this one ends) he might actually be protecting the Tokyo team.
    I thought of that too. After all, the vamps weren't exactly connected to Reika and Old Man on a cellular level. If he chose to Gantz could have kept them out. Plus he even prepared suits for them. For them instead of saying "Your lives belong to me now" it's more like he's saying "Your now my bitch and will do what I say". I also think it may be a way to track the movements of the vamps. He may have surveillance stuff in the little brain bomb he put in their heads. He can listen in on vamp meetings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    And now I've just realized Izumi's team might've lost in the past - if the vampires had already been a target as it was said by that vampire back when Akira joined their ranks - they got out alive and it seemed like blondie had already face Izumi before. Up till now, except for the chibi alien, which wouldn't really be all that difficult if Kurono hadn't sorta snapped, no alien ever escaped.
    Right after the Dino mission when HS and Izumi clashed, HS did speak to him as if he knew him personally, not just as if he were just another hunter. They didn't start circulating Izumis picture until later on. Actually, I believe thats when they took Izumis picture in the first place. So it's entirely possible (actually very likely) that Izumis team was involved in a hunt against the vamps. And strangely Nishi didn't freak when he saw them on the train. Maybe thats an indication that he was there as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    And it seems like Gantz chooses its targets when all members of a same species are in a suitable place for the hunt (for instance, even though the Oni thought of it as ganging up on the team and killing them, that actually backfired, so Gantz could've used that to his favor since the beginning). And now with the new no-timer rule...
    He probably does it to avoid aliens trying to get retribution. He wants to avoid things like aliens coming after the team members outside of the mission and aliens informing each other about the Gantz team. You know, like what happened during the Oni mission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    It's also interesting seeing as how things turned just right; if Katou hadn't been killed at that last moment, maybe Kurono wouldn't come to change so drastically. And then all the deal with Tae... The way the personality of the gantzers change also seem to be according to what Gantz desires. Now that Kurono and Izumi are gone, and seeing Katou as the only one really affected by it (in terms of actually wanting to do something about it instead of letting it go), maybe Gantz is trying to mold Katou into a better player, dunno.
    Katou dieing the way he did was more about him dropping his guard than about anything Gantz did. And I think the Tae mission was mostly about keeping the secret but also about giving Kurono the finger and letting him know his place. That still lends to your point about Gantz molding them. so to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nu_Delic View Post
    Anzu did tell Katou "YOU MUST BE HERE 4 THE POINTS" or something like it. So other teams must of did the same thing too. I often wondered why Oku brought the two teams together. Couldn't be to work together, that's not the Osakan way. So I say to adopt the others strengths or just 4 points. JMO
    Plus it gives the Tokyo team a chance to see what could happen if you play the game with more than just the intention of surviving. If you play to win and destroy your opponent you can rack up points and get weapons that will help you survive. When you think about it, the Tokyo team has way more potential than the Osaka team. They just don't have the attitude that Osaka has. Maybe thats what Gantz wants them to get, so he's showing them an example of how he wants them to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    I thought of that too. After all, the vamps weren't exactly connected to Reika and Old Man on a cellular level. If he chose to Gantz could have kept them out. Plus he even prepared suits for them. For them instead of saying "Your lives belong to me now" it's more like he's saying "Your now my bitch and will do what I say". I also think it may be a way to track the movements of the vamps. He may have surveillance stuff in the little brain bomb he put in their heads. He can listen in on vamp meetings.
    Maybe even more than that; considering how advanced Gantz technology is, maybe the thing put inside their heads, aside from being a bomb can also translate brainwaves and give Gantz access to their very thoughts. I know this kinda seem like rubbish, but back in the dino mission, as soon as Kurono thought about hiding, Gantz displayed that special rule about him getting points or dying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    Right after the Dino mission when HS and Izumi clashed, HS did speak to him as if he knew him personally, not just as if he were just another hunter. They didn't start circulating Izumis picture until later on. Actually, I believe thats when they took Izumis picture in the first place. So it's entirely possible (actually very likely) that Izumis team was involved in a hunt against the vamps. And strangely Nishi didn't freak when he saw them on the train. Maybe thats an indication that he was there as well.
    If Izumi's team really failed on a first attempt to eradicate the vampires, then their points were erased, hence explaining why Izumi seemingly only got 100 points once (assuming he wouldn't want to go free if he had the same line of thought after being freed and re-summoned). Also, at least so far, the main alien enemy so to speak is the vampire society, which would most likely have all that info on Gantz (like the signals they give off and a way to detect the frequency change) by experiencing it first hand. They could be the only enemies who got out alive. The whole point erasing thing according to the timer makes me think that Gantz indeed wants the hunters to get stronger, if there was a time limit in the last two missions (Oni, Nurarihyon) most likely both Tokyo team and Osaka would fail due to the quantity of aliens. Imagine Oka happily thinking "I'm gonna get myself my 800 points" and then the transfer starts and he goes "wtf? Time over? 0 points? Gantz you sob..!" (of course this is just a joke), but it'd be a coherent way of protecting the devolpment of the team and at the same time making it harder to get by, essentially kill or be killed, no point erasing time over mercy.

    Huh... Sorry if I deviated too much from the original idea of the topic.

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    umm,i think i mentioned this before, but it seems to me that, whether Gantz ultimately decides to merge teams or not, this arc is not all that different from the buddha arc - throw in as many people as you can on an impossibly difficult mission - the weaklings get winnowed out and you are left with only the reliable gantzers. Except driving for/supporting Kurono, Baldy hasn't been involved in much, Dumbass spends too much time on his high horses/bitching about Gantz, and Inaba... well Inaba had to die. Considering how the "least" usefull/gantz-friendly members got wasted in this mission (note that Nishi is still alive) I think Tousen is right in saying Gantz plays favorites, or at the very least, that he plans Team/Player developments ahead of time.
    It's hard to imagine there would have been that many survivors in the dino mission if Izumi and Kurono hadn't been involved - when you look at it that way, its kind of hard to say it was all an accident.
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    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
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    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    I always thought Gantz insulted people when they don't get any points in the game, otherwise it'll say "4 points, 96 more to go".

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    Gantz set up the massacre and brought back Izumi because he wanted stronger people on the team. Tired of all the weak players he had been getting, is what Izumi said.

    The Osaka team accused the Tokyo team of being aliens, not aware there were other teams out there.

    I don't think they got help from another team before. Its just their city was suddenly overwhelmed by hordes of aliens invading, so shortly after they got started, the Tokyo team was sent over.

    And Gantz couldn't have set that particular mission up in advance, since these weren't aliens hiding out somewhere, but a group that attacked with the intent of slaughtering every human about.

    After the Temple mission Kurono did threaten Gantz, and yell at him, thus Gantz decided to tell him to get 15 points or he'd die, and sent him out alone on a mission, perhaps not expecting him to survive.

    The aliens seemed surprised, and didn't even attack first in the first few missions. In the temple mission the boss even asked why they were attacking them when they hadn't done anything, asking "who are you guys".

    Later on, the aliens in the shopping mall mission were working together with the vampires, to lure them out, so the aliens knew who they were. This the mission after one got away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    Maybe even more than that; considering how advanced Gantz technology is, maybe the thing put inside their heads, aside from being a bomb can also translate brainwaves and give Gantz access to their very thoughts. I know this kinda seem like rubbish, but back in the dino mission, as soon as Kurono thought about hiding, Gantz displayed that special rule about him getting points or dying...
    Was that Gantz reminding him or was that just him remembering on his own??? But it's possible that it was Gantz because he has sort of shown that he can control their action. How can he stop them from opening the door or killing him if he doesn't know that their thinking about doing it? Makes sense that he can also "read their minds" or transmit thoughts somehow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    If Izumi's team really failed on a first attempt to eradicate the vampires, then their points were erased, hence explaining why Izumi seemingly only got 100 points once (assuming he wouldn't want to go free if he had the same line of thought after being freed and re-summoned).
    Yeah, about that. At the start of the Dino Arc Izumi mentioned that he had to get his strength back. I'm starting to think that he actually got to 100 points more than once. Maybe the "strength" he was talking about was actually the H-Gun and not just his physical skills and abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    Also, at least so far, the main alien enemy so to speak is the vampire society, which would most likely have all that info on Gantz (like the signals they give off and a way to detect the frequency change) by experiencing it first hand. They could be the only enemies who got out alive. The whole point erasing thing according to the timer makes me think that Gantz indeed wants the hunters to get stronger, if there was a time limit in the last two missions (Oni, Nurarihyon) most likely both Tokyo team and Osaka would fail due to the quantity of aliens. Imagine Oka happily thinking "I'm gonna get myself my 800 points" and then the transfer starts and he goes "wtf? Time over? 0 points? Gantz you sob..!" (of course this is just a joke), but it'd be a coherent way of protecting the devolpment of the team and at the same time making it harder to get by, essentially kill or be killed, no point erasing time over mercy.
    Yeah, I think Gantz realized that the aliens were preparing themselves. So a time limit was no longer a good idea since the aliens knew they were coming and could organize themselves to fight back like the Oni aliens did.


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    Huh... Sorry if I deviated too much from the original idea of the topic.
    Deviation makes life interesting...and keeps the thread going.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    this arc is not all that different from the buddha arc - throw in as many people as you can on an impossibly difficult mission - the weaklings get winnowed out and you are left with only the reliable gantzers.
    But in the Buddha arc even some of the beter Gantzers (and those with potential) died. Sniper, Laura Croft, and Katou all died and Kei just barely made it himself. As far as I see, the only true threats on this mission are the 3 bosses. Everyone else could be handled if you weren't a dumbass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    and Inaba... well Inaba had to die.
    LOL. Best reason EVER!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    It's hard to imagine there would have been that many survivors in the dino mission if Izumi and Kurono hadn't been involved
    You mean ANY survivors. They would ALL be dead right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadalready View Post
    I always thought Gantz insulted people when they don't get any points in the game, otherwise it'll say "4 points, 96 more to go".
    He does, but Sakata got points on the first mission and he still called him dumbass lol. Just depends on if he likes you or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    Gantz set up the massacre and brought back Izumi because he wanted stronger people on the team. Tired of all the weak players he had been getting, is what Izumi said.
    Gantz chose Izumi, a former hunter who was VERY good, to get him more players and have the chanc to rejoin the game. Why wouldn't he want him back now since as you said he wants stronger people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    The Osaka team accused the Tokyo team of being aliens, not aware there were other teams out there.

    I don't think they got help from another team before. Its just their city was suddenly overwhelmed by hordes of aliens invading, so shortly after they got started, the Tokyo team was sent over.

    And Gantz couldn't have set that particular mission up in advance, since these weren't aliens hiding out somewhere, but a group that attacked with the intent of slaughtering every human about.
    He didn't have to set it up in advance but so far from what we've seen the Osaka team didn't actually need Tokyos help. Less than half the Tokyo team has made any kind of contribution and Osaka was doing just fine...up to the the point where they have to fight Nuri....and with the exception of teh 3 Sadists (losers). So the idea is that Gantz sent them there because there was a great chance to rack up a ridiculous amount of points.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    After the Temple mission Kurono did threaten Gantz, and yell at him, thus Gantz decided to tell him to get 15 points or he'd die, and sent him out alone on a mission, perhaps not expecting him to survive.

    The aliens seemed surprised, and didn't even attack first in the first few missions. In the temple mission the boss even asked why they were attacking them when they hadn't done anything, asking "who are you guys".

    Later on, the aliens in the shopping mall mission were working together with the vampires, to lure them out, so the aliens knew who they were. This the mission after one got away.
    ...ok...um, not sure what the point your making with this part is...
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