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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    Popothepenguins #1 F^N: +3 Points
    O.o o.O

    It's kinda hard to talk about Katou on this forum without mentioning Popothepenguin... or mentioning something he said before. It's easier to just refer people to him...
    Still, That was a good shot Tousen, I guess i would laugh if it hadn't been targeted at me...

    Anyway, my argument was that I can't think of anything having a "directional sense" that Kurono could do. Before, he was just another random loser who had to grow up into the "Immortal" Kurono Kei we all love, but now that he is already that, I don't think that, if he returns, he will have the same share of the story. I think he will have a few chapters every now and then dedicated to him doing stuff... with and without Reika, but that's it. He won't be the driving force behind the other characters/manga, at least not as much as he used to be...
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    well, to be honest, one of the main reasons i want him back is so he can be the main driving force BEHIND Reika... if you see what i mean...
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    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
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    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    O.o o.O

    It's kinda hard to talk about Katou on this forum without mentioning Popothepenguin... or mentioning something he said before. It's easier to just refer people to him...
    Still, That was a good shot Tousen, I guess i would laugh if it hadn't been targeted at me...
    The way I see it, if you can't laugh at yourself you shouldn't laugh at others. But I've been waiting to use a line like that for a while so thanks, I owe you one lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    Anyway, my argument was that I can't think of anything having a "directional sense" that Kurono could do. Before, he was just another random loser who had to grow up into the "Immortal" Kurono Kei we all love, but now that he is already that, I don't think that, if he returns, he will have the same share of the story. I think he will have a few chapters every now and then dedicated to him doing stuff... with and without Reika, but that's it. He won't be the driving force behind the other characters/manga, at least not as much as he used to be...
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    well, to be honest, one of the main reasons i want him back is so he can be the main driving force BEHIND Reika... if you see what i mean...
    The vamps knowing who Kurono is could lead to a much more interesting story. Hunter in the game, hunted outside of it. Plus imagine the tension between him and HS if he remembers who it was that killed him. He still doesn't know about what happened with Izumi. Once he finds out, maybe he'll decide that the team should actively hunt down the vamps to prevent anyone else from the team getting killed and to avenge his brother...after he kills HS. Almost infinite possibilities.

    It would be nice to see him get to Okas level in terms of the tech. As far as I'm concerned he's just as much or more a badass as Oka is. Plus there has been a lot of speculation that Gantz id preparing them for some massive event. If that's indeed the case, then I think it would be best to have Kurono back in the mix (and Izumi...the only reason I care about Nishi is the hope that he would actually bring Izumi back). A team with Kurono, Katou, Izumi, Cherry, Kaze, Rika (yes damnit, she is good), Old Man (if he makes it) and Nishi would kick anyones ass...including Okas. All they gotta do is bring back Buddha Sniper (not gonna happen) and Sai (also not gonna happen) and it would be a great team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    The vamps knowing who Kurono is could lead to a much more interesting story. Hunter in the game, hunted outside of it. Plus imagine the tension between him and HS if he remembers who it was that killed him. He still doesn't know about what happened with Izumi. Once he finds out, maybe he'll decide that the team should actively hunt down the vamps to prevent anyone else from the team getting killed and to avenge his brother...after he kills HS. Almost infinite possibilities.
    Kurono didn't strike me as the vindicative sort. Sure, he loses his cool (and gets his ass kicked every time that happens) with Kishimoto/Tae/Akira, but in the end, he does end up working with Izumi. Of the guys who will team up with HS most easily, I'd say Kurono, especially in the Game. Also, Kurono definitely will NOT be angry if/when he finds out about HS and Izumi. Outside of Gantz, he sees anything that happens to Izumi as being his "just deserts" for Tae and Shinjiku.
    Also, remember that outside of Gantz, we have never seen Kurono hit unless he is hit first. If anyone suggests a pre-emptive strike against the vampires, I'd say Izumi. He is also a better match for HS in terms of Height/sword preference.
    As for Hunter/Hunted you could say the same about pretty much everyone in the Gantz team. After all, HS knows all of them. Still, after the Osaka arc, I think HS is now aware how useless standing up against Gantz is... and after their Kurono/Izumi disasters they probably don't have that much man power left to spare.
    I maintain what i say about Kurono... if he comes back, he won't be the centerpoint. At best, he will share it evenly with Katou/Izumi/HS. At worse, he will get a few chapters dedicated to him every now and then, and that's it.
    Your team is good, but I would think having Katou/Izumi/Kurono, especially after a few 100 points, would make Oka redundant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    You gotta love teh fanboys.

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    Who doesn't love them?
    In order to 'acknowledge' the 'irony' I would have to learn two new words today.

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    ...And I'm not going to do that.

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    I am NOT a Kurono fanboy... I just like making sound, reasonable arguments about Kurono... every 2 or 3 posts...
    ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLL
    Meh, even i am aware of how lame that first line sounds. Well I am a "moderate" kurono fanboy, so sue me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
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    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    Kurono didn't strike me as the vindicative sort. Sure, he loses his cool (and gets his ass kicked every time that happens) with Kishimoto/Tae/Akira, but in the end, he does end up working with Izumi. Of the guys who will team up with HS most easily, I'd say Kurono, especially in the Game. Also, Kurono definitely will NOT be angry if/when he finds out about HS and Izumi. Outside of Gantz, he sees anything that happens to Izumi as being his "just deserts" for Tae and Shinjiku
    Also, remember that outside of Gantz, we have never seen Kurono hit unless he is hit first. If anyone suggests a pre-emptive strike against the vampires, I'd say Izumi.
    In the case of Izumi he didn't have much of a choice. Izumi laid him out as soon as he got to the room. Then after the mission Izumi made a pretty sensible threat. Going after the vamps would not be a pre-emptive strike.
    It would be a counter strike considering that they recently attacked 3 members of his team (himself, Izumi & Nishi) and killed 2 (himself and Izumi), plus the fact that the vamps targeted the team after the Dino Mission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    As for Hunter/Hunted you could say the same about pretty much everyone in the Gantz team. After all, HS knows all of them. Still, after the Osaka arc, I think HS is now aware how useless standing up against Gantz is... and after their Kurono/Izumi disasters they probably don't have that much man power left to spare.
    Speaking of which, I wonder if HS will be able to give up any info to the other vamps about the Gantzers since he now has one of those little bombs in his head. And can Gantz use the device to spy on the vamps through HS & the vamp chick? Wouldn't it be great if he made up a mission that was a hunt for vamps and gave HS & vamp girl 1 hour to get 50 points each or die.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I maintain what i say about Kurono... if he comes back, he won't be the centerpoint. At best, he will share it evenly with Katou/Izumi/HS. At worse, he will get a few chapters dedicated to him every now and then, and that's it.
    Can't share it with Izumi. He's dead too and I doubt anyone outside of Nishi would think about bringing him back. I think Kei will get thlight back regardless.

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    I give. We'll just keep arguing around in circles. I stand my ground, and won't post anymore on this subject... I wish (I am t3h kurono fanboy, so sue me). Hopefully the last statement (really the last) i make on this topic > nishi blasted some noobs during the tanaka mission, and the x-gun obviously works off mission.Nothing really keeps Kurono from blasting Izumi off the face of the earth in any chapter after the tae arc - hence, he really has a choice.
    Counter-strike, pre-emptive strike, whatever - show me a chapter based on which you can tell me that Kurono is the kind of person who will actually go out and kill someone in cold blood, whatever the reason. He lets the bullies go, prefers to sit out when the vampires attack him and Izumi, even though Tae's life is at risk, doesn't kill Izumi when he has the chance in the class, camps home rather than go out vamp. hunting around his appartment (ok, ok he didn't have his invincible kurono kei memories back, nor his suit, but meh, he could have been a bit more pro-active).
    Paradoxically, Katou actually could be the one to do it (remember the fag - he nuked him while he had his pants down). Kurono is far less of a team player than Katou is. He is good at pairing up, but you will very rarely (the only reason why I say rarely is because I can't be bothered going through gantz again just to prove that point) see him actually trying to buildup a strategy involving more than two people. That's Katou. Before you point out to the Reika Team and say "here,he did" let me just say this -There is an actual chapter that shows Kurono training the team - this chapter also shows how useless he is outside of Gantz, and features a part where he slam dunks using the suit - like I said before, even though he changes during the manga, he is still, even towards the end, substantially different from Katou, who actually cares for each and every member of the team, whether or not that makes him look cool/puts him at risk/gives him points. So, I believe that if someone will suggest something that is so obviously for the benefit of the team, then it will be Katou. Kurono, with his suit and his sunlamp wired house could obviously take on a few hundred vampires - throw in an auxillary power generator in case HS wants to be a smart ass again and "poof" Kurono can live happily ever after, specially if there is no more Tae to hold hostage. If was only up to Kurono (i.e he was only one alive in the team) I think he is far more likely to bunker up his house than to go vampire hunting (he also has that "too much of a bother for me" attitude, even though he does lose most of it)
    The only reason I can picture Kurono walking into the Vampire's den would be to say thanks to Akira for tipping him, assuming his brother is alive... and start a vampire holocaust on the way in and out. Considering this is Gantz, that's probably the kind of retarded reason Oku will come up with to have Kurono kill vampires.
    Also, considering this is Gantz, I think the person most likely to rez Izumi, or suggest it, is Kurono. ("wth, shaddap, idiot, etc") wait, wait, hear me out first.
    Assuming Kurono returns - then he definitely will at a time where missions are getting impossibly hard. If someone (read: Katou) wants to be a hero and make sure everyone gets out alive before bailing out, and asks Kurono what to choose between a weapon, or Someone who will dramatically up the chances of the team to survive - well the list of players that fit the bill isn't that awfully long. As has been argued again and again before, Nishi won't be the one - he will either bail, or get 100 point weapon that helps him camp/watch more people die... unless, of course, he and Izumi had THAT kind of relationship, and it was part of the memories Izumi lost... ok, that was a scary thought. Been watching too much hentai lately.

    OMFG 600+ words. If I haven't said everything i wanted to say, then I never will...
    For some reason, I seem to be pushing Katou forwards a lot lately... Well, he does own with a capture gun - If you can do that, you can do anything.
    Last edited by Shin_Igami; 03-25-2008 at 08:51 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    ^Long, but beautifully said.

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    Nothing big this time - Just for those that wanted to know, Kurono's Gantz manual score sheet is as follows
    Intelligence: 4/5 (can't really see why - he doesn't strike me as a top scorer in class)
    Speed: 3/5 (I think this should be swapped with int, personally)
    Endurance: 3/5
    Strength: 3/5
    Luck: 1/5 (for obvious reasons...)
    Hidden Skills: 5/5 (his ability to somehow come up with an impossible winning strategy)
    Rank: S

    Possible edit: Haven't checked this thoroughly - it may be that Int is actually 3,and speed 4... can anyone confirm that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

 

 
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