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    Thats the Theory Anyway is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSiRis View Post
    The third mission after Kurono lost his points was the "Tae alien"

    Izumi killed Tae. Kurono vowed to revive her. After the Oni alien mission was over, Reika used her points to revive Tae. Tae wasn't a Gantzer but apparently she was "revivable" since she was in Gantz's database or whatever you call it.
    She was in the database because he held onto her corpse when being transfered back. This same technique was used when the vampires grabbed someone who was transferring, and ended up in the room. But if you are dead, you just go into the database.

    Kurono asked Old balls to revive Katou. He also asked Kaze to revive Nishi but its only speculation as to why.
    He clearly states his reason in the manga, so there is no speculation. Nishi knows things, and they need that information to help them survive.

    Information like, "hey, dumbasses! If you spend just a few seconds playing around with your radar, you'll notice you can turn invisible to the aliens, and thus not die constantly." Things like that.

    Kurono was warned by his brother, Akira that vampires were after him so he went out and tried to make some kinda... weapon to defend himself. Kurono created some kinda light thingamajig.
    He made a UV radiation thingamajig, and gave them all a very nasty sunburn.

    Q: Will Kurono be back?
    The most popular character will always return.

    Q: Why was Reika named the leader?
    A: Well... Katou just came back, Nishi is a kid, Kaze is nothing but a warrior, Cherry seems to be confused a lot, Sakata is a "dumbass," Inaba sucks, and would you make a 6 year old or an old man lead you?
    Did you not see her in her very revealing tight black Gantz suit? Come on! Who else would the guys follow around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    She was in the database because he held onto her corpse when being transfered back. This same technique was used when the vampires grabbed someone who was transferring, and ended up in the room. But if you are dead, you just go into the database.
    You're being crazy again, Tae was transferred before Kurono's transfer start, it wasn't the same as the vampires. And this is conjecture only, but seeing how Kurono would lose his reason to live, letting her be revivable is Gantz idea of motivation or amusement with one of his players. She was killed in order to protect information, if Gantz were all about sole fixed purposes, that'd be it. But no, Gantz transferred her because it likes playing pranks. By now we already know Gantz "powers" enable him/it to do as he pleases, and his motives for doing what he does so far aren't clear either, unless you buy he really only wants to exterminate aliens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    (on Kurono's decision to revive Nishi)He clearly states his reason in the manga, so there is no speculation. Nishi knows things, and they need that information to help them survive.
    Kurono was touched by the will of the others, in a way, the good intention of the team perverted his goals; at first he wanted to revive Tae, Katou, Kishimoto and Sei. He could just continue gathering points until doing so, but he was striken by confusion with the oportunity his team mates gave him. Of course he states his reason is information, but as Nishi himself says, more or less, it's kind of dumb to ask for the advice of a dead person who wasn't even aware of what has changed. Notice that before picking up the person, Kurono looks at Katou. That means more than just a look. It's part of his reasoning. It's not always about what it's clearly said, word by word. He revived Nishi for information, but that was also a solution to his dilemma, on whether ressurect Sei or Kishimoto. Also, now he has Tae again (he isn't aware he'll lose his memories nor that she's lost hers), and the team has Katou. He could've asked for Nishi's revival only to get a useful asset to the team (one would think twice about this considering Nishi's personality), but if he remained true to his goals, he could've revived both Kei and Sei - one with Kaze's points and the other with his own. There is no need for Kurono to do that anymore now that there's Katou, to whom he could've passed on his ideals - the look would afirm this. And Sei doesn't matter as much now. This of course doesn't exclude what you said, just putting things in perspective as to understanding or not the fictional mind of a fictional character.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    The most popular character will always return.
    Just don't assume certain things as a given, man. Some of us would like to see Kurono back, the majority, I believe. But if he continues dead, so be it. The story goes on. Personally, I think Kurono'll be revivable in the same way Tae was a goal for him, so that he would continue in the game and faring considerably well. As long as Katou holds in his heart reviving Kurono as his mission, he'll remain in Gantz for at least another round, and many things can happen meanwhile. And Kurono being back to life doesn't mean he'll be back to the team.
    Last edited by Cali; 03-17-2008 at 11:16 AM.

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    Much as I would like to see Kurono Return, it's hard to find a subsequent purpose for him. His relationship with Tae is ashes, he is a known target to the vampires, he is officially dead (unless Gantz decided to sneak in and make Kurono disappear, but if he didn't bother with Izumi, he probably won't for Kurono). Sure, he is THE Boss Killer, and when paired with Izumi, is Nigh Unstoppable (two of them would probably give oka a run for his money, mech or no mech), but it's hard to find anything for him to do. Katou has a purpose - to get out of Gantz, maybe reviving Kishimoto or Kurono along the way, and anyone else who he thinks is worth it, which he probably will if he doesn't get toasted, considering He is Katou-cha (lol) he will do. Popothepenguin could probably write an essay on his evolutionary potential as a character, as well.
    Kurono, on the other hand... I don't know... he doesn't seem to have much room for evolution left. He only has a few stuff we'd like to see him do - Face off with Akira... Kill Vampires... Fuck Reika... Settle Things with Izumi... and Kill Bosses using some crazy stunt/trick
    Doesn't seem like enough to me for him to actually become the centerpiece of the story again.
    But then again, this is Gantz.
    We may be heading towards a two/three leader set up with Kurono - Izumi - Katou each having an even slice of the action/story/character development... but GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    we won't find until at least ten chapters or so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popothepenguin View Post
    its kinda pathetic how much time people (including me) on this thread spend thinking about every little thing that goes on in Gantz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    I suppose it comes from not having any new Gantz to talk about... I feel like a Junkie... o.O

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    thnx i remember i asked cuz for some reason i confused sei with reika for a minute

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    What Cali said about the Kishimoto/Sei point is frankly the best post Ive seen for serious debate/explanation.

    As for seeing what I wanted Kurono to do, like most people I wanted to see him finally pwn (finally finish) Izumi, like punch him in the head with his suit screaming "THIS IS FOR TAE!" ... but I doubt that'll happen, unless Nishi uses his 100 to bring back Izumi and Kurono is brought back too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thats the Theory Anyway View Post
    She was in the database because he held onto her corpse when being transfered back. This same technique was used when the vampires grabbed someone who was transferring, and ended up in the room. But if you are dead, you just go into the database.
    She was in the database because Gantz chose to center a mission around her. He even displayed her picture and info on the ball. Can't do that if she's not in the database. It had nothing to do with him holding onto her. She was in the database as soon as the mission started.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    Much as I would like to see Kurono Return, it's hard to find a subsequent purpose for him. His relationship with Tae is ashes, he is a known target to the vampires, he is officially dead (unless Gantz decided to sneak in and make Kurono disappear, but if he didn't bother with Izumi, he probably won't for Kurono). Sure, he is THE Boss Killer, and when paired with Izumi, is Nigh Unstoppable (two of them would probably give oka a run for his money, mech or no mech), but it's hard to find anything for him to do. Katou has a purpose - to get out of Gantz, maybe reviving Kishimoto or Kurono along the way, and anyone else who he thinks is worth it, which he probably will if he doesn't get toasted, considering He is Katou-cha (lol) he will do. Popothepenguin could probably write an essay on his evolutionary potential as a character, as well.
    Kurono, on the other hand... I don't know... he doesn't seem to have much room for evolution left. He only has a few stuff we'd like to see him do - Face off with Akira... Kill Vampires... Fuck Reika... Settle Things with Izumi... and Kill Bosses using some crazy stunt/trick
    Doesn't seem like enough to me for him to actually become the centerpiece of the story again.
    But then again, this is Gantz.
    We may be heading towards a two/three leader set up with Kurono - Izumi - Katou each having an even slice of the action/story/character development... but GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    we won't find until at least ten chapters or so...
    It wouldn't be hard to find a purpose for Kei. The fact that he's a known target for the vamps makes it more interesting. He would have action during missions and out of missions. He would probably have to move in with Reika so that they could, you know, watch each others....using the mirrors in the ceiling lol. But I feel that Tai has served her purpose well and now it's time for Kei to move on.

    Kurono probably isn't "officially" dead just yet. For all we know his body could be laying on the street. We've been reading Phase 2 for a while but in "actual" time it may have been less than an hour since everything started happening. Manga can kind of disrupt your sense of time and make you think things are taking longer than they actually are.

    As for Katou, the purposes you gave him are the same ones Kurono would have. But I severely doubt Katou would actually revive Sei. If that were the case he might as well revive Homo, Stalker Chick, Sniper and the old lady and child that died on the Tanaka alien mission.

    Honestly, I want Kei back but the series would go on without him. I just rally want to see Kei and Katou together again. I just don't think Katou should be the main focus all the time. I think a lot of what makes his kind of character great is because you DON'T see as much of him as you want to. You see, just enough to keep you interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_Igami View Post
    Popothepenguin could probably write an essay on his evolutionary potential as a character, as well.
    Popothepenguins #1 F^N: +3 Points

    lol
    Last edited by Tousen; 03-19-2008 at 06:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    She was in the database because Gantz chose to center a mission around her. He even displayed her picture and info on the ball. Can't do that if she's not in the database. It had nothing to do with him holding onto her. She was in the database as soon as the mission started.
    I don't think so. If she was in the database to begin with, there wouldn't be a need to transfer her later on. Of course, that could be to alert Kurono of the possibilities of she being in the database, but we all know what Gantz was up to and that he wanted Kurono to know she was revivable. If she was already stored in the database, all Gantz would have to do would be kill her and then do away with it the same way it does with the aliens bodies - which by the way we don't know how it works. And then after, when all left the room and only Kurno stayed, Gantz would just display the images of those in the database and Kurono would automatically get what Gantz wanted him to know.

    On the transfer and database thing, I have thought about a theory a few days ago, but ended up not posting it. It goes like this:

    The *first transfer* conditions would only be that the target is in a fixed position.
    From them on, Gantz keeps a register of the memory and body of the person, also choosing what to load and not to load, like 1000arms sword (more info on this somewhere in the "chapter 268" thread if I'm not mistaken).
    Also, if he didn't want the vampires in, he could've teleported just the team. Why? Because since he keeps a "save file" for everyone, he could load them in safe positions same as in the missions. Also, he had suits prepared for the vampires, it's not like the attack and the "invasion" weren't antecipated.
    And since they were holding the gantzers, they had fixed positions.
    So, Tae being dead, held by Kurono, would give her a fixed position for Gantz to intervene and store her. Of course, this theory only works if you don't consider the extension of Gantz abilities to be almost god-like, which also works to justify almost anything in the manga. If you can do pratically anything, there's no harm done in having fun with people and aliens lifes.

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    The thing is that she could have been in a "fixed" position at any time. If he wanted to Gantz could have taken her out at any time. I think that having them on that mission was fun for him. Just another way to show them (Kei in particular) that he's in control.

    I still believe she was. Especially since he displayed her information. But I figure that you are referring to her being in the database for the purposes of being brought back. That would have happened during the transfer at the end of the mission. But since she wasn't a Gantzer he put her in her house instead of in the room. So really, the Tai that we see now is a clone with a modified memory.

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    Oh, sorry, I see now. I was considering "database" only as "the humans stored in the memory". As for Tae being a clone, well, technically, they all are, right? At least after being transferred. Of course that doesn't matter much, since they keep the relevant parts of memory to a degree and for story purposes they are pretty much the same. I believe this has already been debated ever since Nishi stated it early in the manga.

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    But it really just goes to show you how advanced Gantz is. He didn't just erase Taes memories of the hunt. Apparently he erased her memories of Kurono and everything they did together while keeping everything else so that she could live her life as if nothing happened. So that has me thinking that Gantz should be able to bring players back with all of their memories and not just limit it to the point just before they take real damage. He's just being lazy.

 

 
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