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    Post The Osaka arc point analysis and speculation thread

    Before you guys read my analysis. I would like for all of you to understand that this is all based off the conversation Kyou had with Nerdo in chapter 255. Therefore, don’t flame me if any of this turns out to be complete bull. If you know for a fact that something I or another person has to say on the matter is wrong. Respectfully and logically explain to that person why he or she is wrong. I don’t want this thread tuning into, “My favorite character should have more points. Therefore, you must be wrong.” This thread is meant to be place were we can all logically discuss the scoring process. That is all for now.

    As many of you already know, in the most recent chapter of Gantz it was partially revealed how Gantz scores the individuals who participate in his game. What I took away from the conversation was
    One normal alien = 1 point
    One rare alien = 10 points
    One super rare alien = 100 points

    Now you’re probably asking yourself “What are the super rare aliens?” To me there can only be one explanation, he was talking about the bosses. Now your next question is “Why haven’t the bosses in past missions been worth 100 points?” I think the answer to that question is fairly obvious. The hunts are getting harder. Therefore, to give the weaklings more incentive to get out there and fight, he has made the bosses worth 100 points. I’m guessing the next thing some of you may be wondering is “How does Kyou know there are aliens worth 100 points?” My guess is that since he has been around so long, he may have seen or killed an alien worth that value. We’ll probably never know for certain though.

    Now for a breakdown of points scored so far in this mission. The information that I am about to present is based on all of the action we have actually seen happen. Therefore, it is very likely that some of the characters have scored more points than Oku is letting onto. By the way, the aliens that I thought could be rare I put as normal/rare, as we won’t know what was rare until the end.

    Katou has killed 2 normal/rare aliens = 2 points, 11 points or 20 points
    Takeshi has killed 12 normal aliens = 12 points
    Kaze has killed 1 normal/rare alien = 1 point or 10 points depending on what it was
    Host Samurai has killed 1 normal and 2 normal/rare aliens = 3 points, 12 points or 21 points
    Kyou has killed 26 normal aliens = 26 points
    Nobu has killed 4 normal aliens = 4 points
    Shiki has killed 3 normal and 1 normal/rare aliens = 4 or 13 points depending on what that one alien was
    Nerdo has killed 1 normal alien = 1 point

    As many of you already know, I counted all of the aliens found at the end of the most recent chapter; to my surprise there were 342 of them. If you include the amount of points the bosses are worth. The total amount of points still out there is 642. I've also recently counted all of the aliens that came from the river; there were 74 of them. Therefore, the total amount of points that were available in this mission was 716.

    By the way guys, let me know if there’s anything I should add. I’ll take any suggestions.

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    Thats pretty good but I thought Gantz would randomize the points I mean for all we know Takeshi could get 50 points. oh and thats alot of aliens no wonder Gantz brought in the Tokyo people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joachim Dragoon View Post
    Thats pretty good but I thought Gantz would randomize the points I mean for all we know Takeshi could get 50 points. oh and thats alot of aliens no wonder Gantz brought in the Tokyo people.
    Thanks; as I said at that beginning of my last post, everything in it was based off the information revealed in chapter 255.
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    yea i'm sorry but i have to agree with the above posters. Gantz DOES randomize the points and it's not a rigid point based system. I'm pretty sure some normal ones are 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 points, etc. I mean, did you even look at your own point distribution to the characters? You gave Kaze only 1 or 10 points...that's seriously off. He must have gotten at least about 20 points for that giant...because he has fought stronger enemies in the past and got a lot of points....

    furthermore, you gave Host Samurai a MAXIMUM points of 21 points. Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. Those samurai guys were incredibly powerful and killed off several members of the Osaka team, and let's not forget the fact that Osaka team is extremely powerful and experienced, possessing powerful weapons. In my opinion, Host Samurai must've gotten around 30 points so far....

    and the same logic applies to other characters. I just think that the points are randomized...after all, it's up to Gantz. He can even take away points or not give you any if he feels like it...

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    He can? Where is your evidence to back this up?


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    uhh. remember in the early parts of the story, Gantz took away all of Kurono's points because he didnt' kill any aliens?

    That's a pretty solid evidence for you. Now, my question is, did you even read the manga yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddox20
    uhh. remember in the early parts of the story, Gantz took away all of Kurono's points because he didnt' kill any aliens?

    That's a pretty solid evidence for you. Now, my question is, did you even read the manga yourself?
    You implied that Gantz did that on a whim.

    "he feels like it"

    He didn't feel like taking them away, Kurono failed to complete a mission. The consequence is point deduction. This could be a scripted mechanism for Tokyo Gantz.
    It is not clear whether Gantz balls have their own personality's or not yet. And the only place it is implied is where he sends Izumi after stronger people.

    He also didn't deduct the points for not killing any aliens. Idiot, I read the Manga, and understood what I was seeing before me. It registered, hence why evidently I can make a better argument than you can.

    Also, where is your solid evidence to back up the statement about giving no points? Granted, you stated your obvious misconception about the point deduction, but there is no solid evidence of Gantz holding back points.


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    There's a difference between the existence of undisclosed rules and flexibility in the rules. My gut feeling is that MGB's analysis doesn't hold together, but I can't say f—no, actually, I can say for sure. Greenonion mission. Unless some really deceptive things happened (Nishi killing two other standard aliens off-screen), he definitely got awarded a number of points for one alien that wasn't a power of 10.

    Edit: Tet: personality is also strongly implied by Gantz's practice of nicknaming/taunting the players based on their actions. That's stronger evidence than sending someone a generic "need more people" message.

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    Tetnubis, i'm surprised you called me names, even though you're supposed to be a moderator. Does that make you feel like a big man, calling other people names over the internet?

    now, it seems you have misunderstood, I implied that Gantz can make up WHATEVER RULES FOR POINTS as he pleases. RULES that have to do with points. Clear? In the beginning, Gantz said that if the one-hour mission duration is reached without all targets being eliminated, all of a player's points are revoked, and his or her score goes back to zero. This DID HAPPEN to Kurono in the Chibi Seijin mission. READ AGAIN. Prior to this the players had assumed that failing to complete the mission in the time allotted would result in the immediate death of the entire team. Furthermore, in the following mission, Kurono was informed by Gantz that if he did not achieve 15 points in the current mission that he would be killed. Of course, this was not true in the later missions.. So, does that mean Gantz lied or changed the rules that time? Yes, because Gantz can do whatever the hell he wants.

    The 15 point requirement is not a hard and fast rule, since some missions do not appear to have 15 total available points to be earned, and some people in the later missions did not even kill any and still survived.

    Therefore, Gantz can make up whatever rules as he pleases to make changes to the player's points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddox20 View Post
    yea i'm sorry but i have to agree with the above posters. Gantz DOES randomize the points and it's not a rigid point based system. I'm pretty sure some normal ones are 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 points, etc. I mean, did you even look at your own point distribution to the characters? You gave Kaze only 1 or 10 points...that's seriously off. He must have gotten at least about 20 points for that giant...because he has fought stronger enemies in the past and got a lot of points....
    The problem with your theory on Gantz randomizing points is there’s no proof to support it. If you had some, you would have posted it instead of giving your own opinion. I'm assuming that since you think normal aliens are worth up to 40 points you haven’t read chapter 255. It was stated in chapter 255 that rare aliens are only worth ten points. Therefore, why would a normal alien be worth 40 points? It wouldn't make any sense if there were normal aliens worth more than rare ones. That’s one theory down, now for the next one. Another opinion? I'm almost certain the alien he fought was a rare one. That doesn’t change the fact that according to Kyou he’s only going to get ten points. By the way, what stronger enemies are you referring to? The only one I can think of at the current moment is the Rock Oni Boss from the last mission.

    Quote Originally Posted by maddox20 View Post
    furthermore, you gave Host Samurai a MAXIMUM points of 21 points. Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. Those samurai guys were incredibly powerful and killed off several members of the Osaka team, and let's not forget the fact that Osaka team is extremely powerful and experienced, possessing powerful weapons. In my opinion, Host Samurai must've gotten around 30 points so far....
    Your post is really starting to piss me off. I clearly said to use logic in this thread. What you did is come in here and try to press your opinion on us. What I provided was facts that were revealed in the latest chapter. If you don't want to accept those facts, stop reading the series now. I gave HS a maximum of 21 points because using the scoring system that Kyou revealed, that is the max amount he could have. So what if the Osakans were experienced? They were Sadists; they didn’t think the fight through. The only thing they wanted to do was inflict pain. In addition, they didn't have any skills with the sword, the enemies they fought were Samurai… It’s kind of obvious why they died.

    Quote Originally Posted by maddox20 View Post
    and the same logic applies to other characters. I just think that the points are randomized...after all, it's up to Gantz. He can even take away points or not give you any if he feels like it...
    No, it's up the author and the author decided to create a scoring system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagetenshi View Post
    There's a difference between the existence of undisclosed rules and flexibility in the rules. My gut feeling is that MGB's analysis doesn't hold together, but I can't say f—no, actually, I can say for sure. Greenonion mission. Unless some really deceptive things happened (Nishi killing two other standard aliens off-screen), he definitely got awarded a number of points for one alien that wasn't a power of 10.

    Edit: Tet: personality is also strongly implied by Gantz's practice of nicknaming/taunting the players based on their actions. That's stronger evidence than sending someone a generic "need more people" message.

    ~J
    There’s two problems with the supposed evidence you provided.

    1. That was early in the manga; he could have later changed his mind about the scoring system.

    2. The Greenonion alien was a boss; of course Nishi got more than 1 point.
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