Thread: one thing i don't like about gantz is...

Originally Posted by Duststorm

Well is then not cheap that gantz saves people lives when they should have died.

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You missed my entire point.

Originally Posted by StealDragon

I disagree... the sheer number of characters he goes through killing... i mean shit hes only revived like 5 people.. and killed like what... thirty something mildly developed characters?

I just hate that Sei is still dead.

Bringing people back removes the suspense from the story. When Katou and Kishimoto died, it was a "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!" moment. When Cherry died, it was more along the lines of "Eh, sucks for him, but they'll just revive him". Deaths no longer matter, and that is bad storytelling.

Originally Posted by coolerimmortal

Bringing people back removes the suspense from the story. When Katou and Kishimoto died, it was a "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!" moment. When Cherry died, it was more along the lines of "Eh, sucks for him, but they'll just revive him". Deaths no longer matter, and that is bad storytelling.

I think it was a bit more suspenseful than that. I remember that Sakata at that time did not have knowledge of the ability to revive people until the point distribution for that mission.

Thanks for the name-explanation guys!!!

Originally Posted by Nick88

Which chapter did they say it can be ANYONE? I'm pretty sure it's only in Gantz's memory. The reason why Tae got ressed is because she was in Gantz's memory since she got scanned when she was terminated in her mission.

Ahh... your right!! I didn't notice/forgot that Tae was an exception cause she actually got scanned. Guess Gantz felt sorry for Kurono(?) or something. Hmm... Kurono never got scanned.

Originally Posted by StealDragon

I just hate that Sei is still dead.

I agree... NOT cause of her Lara Croft-looks... BUT cause I feel like Kurono "owes" her that much after he used her.

Originally Posted by coolerimmortal

Bringing people back removes the suspense from the story. When Katou and Kishimoto died, it was a "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!" moment...

That is exactly what I'm talking about my fellow Berserk fan!! lol BUT... I don't mind "Option #3" as long as it ONLY applies to Gantz players who die while still playing (Ex: Izumi, Sei, Sadako, etc).

The only reason I would disagree is that it brought Katou back, and gives the possibility of bringing sniper back. Besides that though, it's can be a little ... ya. But if everybody died in this mission, they couldn't get revived, but I don't know if Oku has the balls to do that again.

Yeah that sniper guy was just a completely random suit-less newbie who managed to give amazing support and actually avoid a few attacks from the mega-budda (which was way too fucking powerful imo).

I also agree the res-ability did make it take the suspense out like when they "won" the budda temple mission it felt mind-numbing to just think "...wait...did I just watch EVERYONE die except for Kei.....like...no one is alive at all? EVERYONE died?!" just imagine how Kei felt, would be terrible. It allowed Kei to have a motivation to fight and a goal to aim for. So it did help the story a bit. Also the fact that as Kei's skills increased he'd earns points quicker so the 100 point decision was coming up fast.

I wonder if Kei will be revivable...Hmm I had a thought, since Gantz kind of melts(kills) / recreates people with his "scanning" could it be that lets say Gantz team leader Kei was Kei v1 and when he was freed Gantz kept all the memory of v1 and created a clone and made it v2, and the v2 died from the HS, so if Kei was to be revived he'd be v1 with all his memories in tact. That would be awesome, to have him back in full swing and possibly rescue the rest of his team (especially Reika and Cherry's teacher) from all the emo-ness. Then there might even be a chance at romance with Reika!

oh i just had to join this one....

guys yeah Dragonball Z was pretty cheap with all the dying and coming back, but even Dragonball had it's limits on revival.

Kurono Kei was and still is an awesome character (one of my favorite anime/manga character of all time) i duno why all the bitchin bout him is for, but whatever there's always whiners and haters. However he should definetly be revivable even though he attained freedom and i mean how cheap is it to kill such a great character just after he attained freedom from Gantz?

not to mention his brother's death, there was great potential in that plot with his brother as a vampire and it felt so umm cut short? they both need to get back in Gantz in some way it would be dumb to make theirs a permanent death and yet bring a guy like Katou and Nishi back...that would be way too 'wtf'

If you've ever written or thought about writting a plot for a story, you'd know that the seriousness of death needs to be maintained however killing off your main character permanently is as stupid as you could possibly get, not only from the loss of readers but just it wouldnt be the same story.

many stories have the "support" characters take over temporarily while the main hero is gone, i believe this is what Gantz is going through now. Katou will take charge and have his time in the spotlight developing him and the others as characters (which was very needed), and then Kurono and Izumi will come back for that really tough fight where every1 is getting killed left n right.

if you think about it plot wise, how interesting would Gantz would be without choice #3? Gantz is obviously the type of story where Death is a constant thing (since episode 1 this was made clear), choice #3 is what makes the Tokyo Gantz team different from all the other teams. Some Gantz teams will focus on becoming free, others focus on getting more weapons and enjoying the fight, but this team seems to be the only one with "feelings" of "Nakama".


Getting 100 points is no easy task, so "revival" doesnt come cheap, as they would usually need to do a 2 - 4 missions just to get 100 points depending on the type of monsters they are fighting.

Also what would be so bad about reviving ppl outside of Gantz? Gantz already revives ppl that die and brings 'em to the room. So it wouldn't be a bad idea for someone to revive sum1 they care for (on the condition that they are brought to the room to fight like every1 else). of course this is only wishful thinkin as Gantz made it clear that only ppl in the memory can be brought back. And like it or not Kurono is definetly in the memory, he got scanned the first time he died.

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well the reason why i don't like kurono that much is because of his personality. he was introduced as a selfish cynic(bad) and eventually turned into a all-around good character(good).

i started to despise kurono AFTER the onion mission. just everything he did was kinda sick - harassing kishimoto, using sei, killing to show-off. but he redeemed himself to me during the dino mission when he started to become more like katou. i liked him after that.

but... during the tae mission, he lost props again. personally, i think kurono used tae for sex at first but he eventually began to like her. i understand the whole point of the tae mission was to show their love and all... but he could've killed some of the other characters because of what he did. and what if izumi was right and they all would've died if they'd fail the mission? would he still have sacrificed everyone?

also... he should never have chosen freedom, because HE needs to revive sei... he owes her that much.

Originally Posted by Akaiyou

many stories have the "support" characters take over temporarily while the main hero is gone, i believe this is what Gantz is going through now. Katou will take charge and have his time in the spotlight developing him and the others as characters (which was very needed), and then Kurono and Izumi will come back for that really tough fight where every1 is getting killed left n right.

I've been thinkin that for a long time now. I think Kurono and Izumi will be brought back for the toughest mission or missions where a lot of the Ganzters die.

Originally Posted by BrkngTheHbt

but... during the tae mission, he lost props again. personally, i think kurono used tae for sex at first but he eventually began to like her. i understand the whole point of the tae mission was to show their love and all... but he could've killed some of the other characters because of what he did. and what if izumi was right and they all would've died if they'd fail the mission? would he still have sacrificed everyone?

also... he should never have chosen freedom, because HE needs to revive sei... he owes her that much.

Kurono new they wouldn't die, unless you mean what if they would've died if they die when they fail. I agree that he could've killed some of them. He let Izumi off the hook after he killed his girlfriend right in front of him! And Inaba and the rest, he could've killed them too. It was partly Inaba's fault that Kei couldn't help Tae, since Inaba weakened him.

I don't know about Sei. If they keep reviving people... I don't know. They should just revive whoever is important and who can help out. I don't see Sei coming back at all or any time soon. I don't really think Kurono owes Sei anything. I liked Sei but I don't really think she'd be that useful. She doesn't have much experience unless it'd all be about teamwork.

maybe when u die in gantz you go onto level two, and if youare brought back to the gantz "level 1", you lose all your memories of level 2? so if anyone dies who has gotted 100 points b4 then you go onto 2.

I'm going to ignore the last post and go back to the ones right before it.

Originally Posted by BrkngTheHbt

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well the reason why i don't like kurono that much is because of his personality. he was introduced as a selfish cynic(bad) and eventually turned into a all-around good character(good).

i started to despise kurono AFTER the onion mission. just everything he did was kinda sick - harassing kishimoto, using sei, killing to show-off. but he redeemed himself to me during the dino mission when he started to become more like katou. i liked him after that.

but... during the tae mission, he lost props again. personally, i think kurono used tae for sex at first but he eventually began to like her. i understand the whole point of the tae mission was to show their love and all... but he could've killed some of the other characters because of what he did. and what if izumi was right and they all would've died if they'd fail the mission? would he still have sacrificed everyone?

also... he should never have chosen freedom, because HE needs to revive sei... he owes her that much.

I dunno, I think at first he was fulfilling the bet but even early into things you can tell he was falling for her. And again, he didn't make her swallow! Obviously he didn't kill Izumi and the bunch because it would have done irreparable harm to the series and probably would have prevented him from getting control back over the team after the mission was over.

I don't think everything he did in front of Sei was showing off. A lot was about trying to show everyone that you could beat the aliens and survive the mission. Again Sei didn't have to break him off a piece, and she still didn't have to ask him out as they lay dying.

Lastly, yeah having him choose freedom was the single dumbest thing I've seen and so anti his personality that I wonder if Oku wasn't planning to make the series about Nishi and Izumi for awhile.
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Originally Posted by BDRZS07

I've been thinkin that for a long time now. I think Kurono and Izumi will be brought back for the toughest mission or missions where a lot of the Ganzters die.



Kurono new they wouldn't die, unless you mean what if they would've died if they die when they fail. I agree that he could've killed some of them. He let Izumi off the hook after he killed his girlfriend right in front of him! And Inaba and the rest, he could've killed them too. It was partly Inaba's fault that Kei couldn't help Tae, since Inaba weakened him.

I don't know about Sei. If they keep reviving people... I don't know. They should just revive whoever is important and who can help out. I don't see Sei coming back at all or any time soon. I don't really think Kurono owes Sei anything. I liked Sei but I don't really think she'd be that useful. She doesn't have much experience unless it'd all be about teamwork.

I think Kurono does owe Sei a revival just like Katou owes Kishmoto.