Page 1 of 9 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 87
  1. #1
    Zenkaiu is offline Senior Member Well Known
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    261

    Default Ok, since gantz just copies the person when they die...

    Doesn't that mean there's almost no point of being brought back? I mean, you die, and Gantz brings back your copy, but YOU'RE still dead = /.

  2. #2
    Kagetenshi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    560

    Default

    That's a nastier philosophical question (with, in some cases, religious undertones) than I think you're giving credit for. See: Ship of Theseus.

    One probable answer: it doesn't matter to the original, who is still dead. However, the new copy will claim honestly to be the original, so it matters to the new copy. Provided everyone else doesn't think too hard about it or accepts it the way it is, it matters to them.

    ~J
    Failure: when your best just isn't good enough.

  3. #3
    _dark_ is offline Junior Member Newbie
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    1

    Default

    Nah i myself think that there are 2 world in the manga : 1 is the normal world( not the one people in Gantz team come back after finish the job), 1 is Gantz one. When u die, u come back to the normal one and look like a game over for u and like nothing even happened for u. And when u are brought back look like u come back to the game and play it.
    Ha it is my own idea. May be it's wrong but i still think like this

  4. #4
    coolerimmortal is offline Senior Member Community Builder
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    5,935

    Default

    The original consciousness dies when you die the first time. The one in Gantz is a copy. The ones that are revived are new copies. The original consciousness remains dead.

  5. #5
    Kagetenshi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    560

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina View Post
    "being brought back"

    Would you be referring to your initial death in the REAL world and then arriving at gantz? or do you mean dying in gantz and then being brought back?
    It doesn't really matter—in both cases (and, for that matter, every single time a mission starts and ends) there's a non-continuity of physical substance, and what is presumably a non-continuity of consciousness.

    Really, that's the best argument against caring about the "it's just a copy" issue—each of the Gantzers is killed twice each mission anyway.

    ~J
    Failure: when your best just isn't good enough.

  6. #6
    xxTearsOfGodxx is offline Senior Member Regular
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    195

    Default

    well remeber from izumi's point of view when he died everything went black but he regained conciousness in gantz? well he could remember everything

    SO i think the conciousness is copied along with the body.

  7. #7
    DafZT is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Lithuania (th1s 5ucks v.v)
    Posts
    138

    Default

    Well, when you die, Gantz deletes your bodies, you appear in Gantz room, you remember everything. Conciousness is definatly saved.
    When you get out of Gantz you lose your memories, bur since Izumi and afterwards Kurono were able to remember something, means memory was not deleted, but somehow hidden, because you cannot remember things which never happened.
    Anyway, I don't agree with the copying theory, I think it is more like sending. But, like, whatever, it is argueable, and i am not into proving my rightness.
    That's the theory anyway.

  8. #8
    Kagetenshi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    560

    Default

    Remembering everything does not equal continuity-of-consciousness. Also, the sending theory is, at least for the initial entry into Gantz's room, disprovable—see Kishimoto-two.

    ~J
    Failure: when your best just isn't good enough.

  9. #9
    StealDragon's Avatar
    StealDragon is offline Super Moderator Community Builder
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    NCC-1701
    Posts
    13,424

    Default

    i beg to know why you would care if youre a copy of yourself under the circumstances that you understand the constraints of youre existence. if you died and you were brought back as a copy of your self relatively instantly and your original body dissapeared then why bother. its nothing to really wrack your brain over if you think about it. as a copy of yourself youve been given a second chance. you may not be the exact same atoms (or maybe you are) but from a human and philosophical standpoint youre the same as you were before your death.

    hope that didnt come off as mean.


    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
    I raise a toast to the the souls that sang all along. I've been gathering friends to just to make some sounds,
    before the ship goes down, I've been making amends by making the rounds before the whole world ends


    [Chit Chat Specific Forum Rules] // Last Update - Friday March 13, 2009

  10. #10
    Terasiel is offline Senior Member Community Builder
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    South Carolina, US
    Posts
    3,310

    Default

    Okay, time to say it: The obvious point of this is - Souls.

    If you die, then a copy of you is created, is it really you? If you actually have a soul in the Gantz universe, one would assume he either keeps it, or that your copy is the same thing as any clone. - A totally different person.

    In the case of Kato, we see that he doesn't remember being impaled and actually dieing - he started to see the Gantz room before the exact event of his death actually took place. One has to assume that he is just a copy of himself prior to his own death.

    Secondly, fun thing here - Kei proved that there can be multiple copies of one person alive at once, hense the Gantz spirituality/causuality situation.

 

 
Page 1 of 9 123 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
vBulletin Skin by: ForumThemes.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.0
Copyright © 2014 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79