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    RedAdonis is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagetenshi View Post
    He obviously put some thought into it, since he included Kishimotos 1 and 2. My guess, though, is that he decided "not a solvable problem" and moved on.


    Wrong. Where do you think your psyche comes from? From all available evidence, it comes from the physical state of that lump of meat we call the brain.

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    Yes, psych is created by you brain. But it's not part of you body, it's more like a temporary data that's stored in it. It will not be there if you just create a mere physical copy.


    To fight or not to fight....... someone will always die in the end.

    Sorry, excuse my lack of English: what is "Card Captor Sakura gangbang?" Well, yes I know what "Card Captor Sakura" is, but what is "gangbang?" A gun fight?
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    Hm. Thing that define "you" are "your" memories and behaviour patterns written inside of "your" brain. Since that things are copied along with "your" body, copy is "you". Simple.

    If you not draging religy in.
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    Kagetenshi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedAdonis View Post
    Yes, psych is created by you brain. But it's not part of you body, it's more like a temporary data that's stored in it. It will not be there if you just create a mere physical copy.
    Stored in its physical state. The position of charged particles, the activity state of neurons, the connections between neurons, neurotransmitter levels and other chemical concentrations, all these will be preserved in a physical copy. There's no evidence that anything else is involved.

    Hm. Thing that define "you" are "your" memories and behaviour patterns written inside of "your" brain. Since that things are copied along with "your" body, copy is "you". Simple.

    If you not draging religy in.
    Not that simple. Does Kishimoto 1 experience what Kishimoto 2 does? If the answer is no, how can you argue that they're the same person? There are ways, but they're not obviously true, and note that this argument doesn't involve religion at all.

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    They say in every single moment you are not the same as you were moment ago... But you are still you, right?

    Kishimoto-1 and Kishimoto-2 are the same person (Kishimoto), but obliviously separate beings.
    In the moment of division they were THE same. They share same memories and same behaviour patterns. Starting from that moment they begin to live separate lives, experiencing different situations, making different actions. But if they were swapped from the beginning (in other words, if Kishimoto-1 is original one, then if Kishimoto-1 gone to the Room) they would act exactly the same, as they acted in reality. So, they are separate beings but the same person (Kishimoto) .

    But it is only my way of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 000_ View Post
    They say in every single moment you are not the same as you were moment ago... But you are still you, right?
    That's one possibility. Arguably it's the possibility we should assume, because the others aren't very useful (much like solipsism isn't useful), but there's a difference between being unuseful and being self-evidently wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 000_ View Post
    Hm. Thing that define "you" are "your" memories and behaviour patterns written inside of "your" brain. Since that things are copied along with "your" body, copy is "you". Simple.

    If you not draging religy in.
    There are two Kishimotos. One is the original, with the original consciousness. The other is the copy, with a new consciousness but the same memories and personality. The two are different people.

    The Gantzers we see are not the originals. They are duplicates. They look the same, they act the same, and they think they are the same...but they aren't.

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    Well there was Old Man seeing his dead wife in the afterlife while he was being transfered revived and restored after the dino mission .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krinos View Post
    Well there was Old Man seeing his dead wife in the afterlife while he was being transfered revived and restored after the dino mission .
    ............ and you point being.....? Do you mean that his "soul" went to the after life or something?

    Any way, if psych is something physically related to the brain then i suppose it can be created. Maybe the soul just went to the copy when it was created beacuse that individual did not fully cease to exist, physically anyway....... but this won't really work with the revive thing.


    To fight or not to fight....... someone will always die in the end.

    Sorry, excuse my lack of English: what is "Card Captor Sakura gangbang?" Well, yes I know what "Card Captor Sakura" is, but what is "gangbang?" A gun fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal View Post
    There are two Kishimotos. One is the original, with the original consciousness. The other is the copy, with a new consciousness but the same memories and personality. The two are different people.

    The Gantzers we see are not the originals. They are duplicates. They look the same, they act the same, and they think they are the same...but they aren't.
    Please read my previous post carefully. I talked my way around Kishimotos there

    Gantzers are duplicates, but they are the persones they used to be before original death. Since they look, act and even think same. If something looks like apple, feels like apple, tastes like apple, has apple's smell (has all apple's properties) then you call it apple.

    Come to think of, is thing you see when looking at mirror -- you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krinos View Post
    Well there was Old Man seeing his dead wife in the afterlife while he was being transfered revived and restored after the dino mission .
    Your homework, should you choose to accept it: research the concept of the phenomenon termed "hallucination".

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