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    scorn is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    did anyone noticed that in the chibi alien hunt Kei should have been teleported back in the room in the state he was before having his suit ripped off , it seems that when you suffer from blood loss during a hunt and that you survive , gantz teleports you back to the room in the state you were before suffering that blood loss , that would explain why Kato does not remember about the death of the Onion dad and Kei not remembering about himself defeating the tanaka boss and also Kato not remembering the final part of his fight with the thousand arms . There s also another weird stuff i can t understand , it s Izumi previous trip to Gantz , when he got his flashback , he remembered that he once reached the 100 points , and saw his score displayed on the ball , at this time , it seems that gantz did not introduce the other two options ( i believe gantz created them especially for Kei after the tae alien hunt so he could force Kei to stay within the game and not to commit suicide nor leave the game too early ) and it also seems that at that time , once you had reach 100 points , you were forced to leave the room and had your memory wiped off cause knowing Izumi personnality , he would never have choose to leave the game , he would have pick up the epw but at that time it wasn t available , or Oku didn t know that he will introduce new options later in the manga . There s also another glitch , Sensei s teeth , Sensei remembers about Izumi being responsible of the slaughter in Shinjuku , but Gantz resurrected him in the room with all his teeth , but he lost his teeth when using his psychic powers against Izumi , but when he s in the room he remembers about him ( at that time we didn t know about that , but he tells sakurai about it just before Izumi kills fifty vampires in front of his house ) , seems like Oku is messed up with the memory stuff sometimes .

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    Old man had his hand cut off by the vampires, but when he came back he seemed to remember everything. Kei's face was smashed during the Tae mission, but he also remembered everything.
    We don't know anything about Izumi's first trip, but as i remember he wasn't surprised at all when he saw the 100 points menu, sooooo...

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    The thing is... when you are transported to/outof the room, you are regenerated or something like that, and your suit is also restored!! So you can make a slaughter at the end of a mission, and when telepoted you`ll appear healthier than before, so this fack makes me think, that when Sakurai (aka Cherry) uses his powers, he olders his organs, but when teleported he is healed, so he doesn`t suffer any "damage" unlike his sensei, who used his in real life. And about that 100 point menu at old times...there are 2 ways:1.Ot was always the same;2.It changes every time team reaches 100 points. And Izumi, he just chose to be free probably cause he doesn`t know how it is memory wipe (Watch Kurono now, how he suffers not knowing what's happpening), But Izumi said in manga : "Shinjuku slaughter, a thing that couldn`t be forget". So i think that Gantz' memory wipe has some bugs.
    Damn, that makes me feel that Bill Gayts made Software for Gantz in exchange for his 100 points :P

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    gantz resurrected ppl in their 'complete' form so kishimoto lost her scars and sakata had his teeth back.

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    Also no one said Gantz was perfect, hell Nishi himself said that Gantz screwed up when he brought Kishimoto in the room. Also about the menu, it obviously has always been the same and the three option had always been there because 1) Izumi was the person that told them about the menu 2) He even said the option to revive someone was an option and 3)All we ever saw of the Flashback with Izumi was his point total and him teleporting, nothing else, nothing more. Oku left it pretty ambiguous, because then he pulled the menu on us, which we had no idea of it before. really it matches because Nishi knows Izumi so they were in the game together and saw him leave(after all he did ask why he was in there again, course this is an assumption because he might have been dead at the time Izumi got out and revived later) and he was being a dick after the first mission and only told them basic information.

    As for the memory thing I'm not sure that they didn't remember who killed what, because Katou was incapacitated when the onion dad showed up and didn't see Kurouno beat the crap out of him, Kurouno remembered killing the boss tanaka otherwise he wouldn't have been able to tell them how many he killed when they got the points. For Izumi we saw what he saw when he was getting revived so I can guess a different process is involved with that, and plus add to the fact that everyone rememberes pretty much EXACTLY how they died at the beginning of the whole series can help explain that part with the psychic guy remembering Izumi, plus I remember him using his powers throughout the whole fight when he tried to stop the bullets. Chances are he was trying to stop the bullets and kill izumi at the same time, which was a huge strain on him, so we can put together that he only got as far as going under the makeup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou
    Also no one said Gantz was perfect, hell Nishi himself said that Gantz screwed up when he brought Kishimoto in the room. Also about the menu, it obviously has always been the same and the three option had always been there because 1) Izumi was the person that told them about the menu 2) He even said the option to revive someone was an option and 3)All we ever saw of the Flashback with Izumi was his point total and him teleporting, nothing else, nothing more. Oku left it pretty ambiguous, because then he pulled the menu on us, which we had no idea of it before. really it matches because Nishi knows Izumi so they were in the game together and saw him leave(after all he did ask why he was in there again, course this is an assumption because he might have been dead at the time Izumi got out and revived later) and he was being a dick after the first mission and only told them basic information.

    As for the memory thing I'm not sure that they didn't remember who killed what, because Katou was incapacitated when the onion dad showed up and didn't see Kurouno beat the crap out of him, Kurouno remembered killing the boss tanaka otherwise he wouldn't have been able to tell them how many he killed when they got the points. For Izumi we saw what he saw when he was getting revived so I can guess a different process is involved with that, and plus add to the fact that everyone rememberes pretty much EXACTLY how they died at the beginning of the whole series can help explain that part with the psychic guy remembering Izumi, plus I remember him using his powers throughout the whole fight when he tried to stop the bullets. Chances are he was trying to stop the bullets and kill izumi at the same time, which was a huge strain on him, so we can put together that he only got as far as going under the makeup.
    What you said about the menu is not necesarily true , Izumi told the about the three options , but that was a few seconds after the three options to appear , it appears that he just read out loud the options displayed on the ball , and knowing Izumi s personality , he would have chosen the deadly weapon during his first trip to gantz if it had existed . For the memory glitches , i m pretty sure Kato cannot remember it because he was teleported back to the room in the same position that he was when he was grabing the onion dad before having his arm sliced ( gantz doesn t seem to make a distinction between resurecting people and teleport them back , he simply loads the gantzter to the room a few instants he or she suffered from bloodloss , it is clearly during the chapter Kato got resurrected , his first person memory view stops a few moments before he got injured then he s back to the room ) , it s exactly the same for Kei at the end of the tanaka hunt , he s teleported back to the room in in the position he was just before getting caught by the tanaka boss , when he was running away from him and doesn t remember about defeating him . Also for people remembering exactly how they died , i m pretty sure gantz loaded their "data" just before they were killed , in the first mission , they remember about they can easily about their death because no one suffered from a sudden death , Kato and Kei were running on railway with a train on their heels , so it was easy for them to guess that they died being hit by the train even if they don t remember the moment they were hit , the important politician , i suppose , also guessed that he died because of his cancer , because he was in an hospital because of it , it doesn t really matter anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorn
    What you said about the menu is not necesarily true , Izumi told the about the three options , but that was a few seconds after the three options to appear , it appears that he just read out loud the options displayed on the ball , and knowing Izumi s personality , he would have chosen the deadly weapon during his first trip to gantz if it had existed .

    I think you are forgetting that Izumi's current behaviour could be very different to his attitude when he was orginally in gantz. It is quite possible that Izumi was talented before but was also leading a strong team and that when he left that team fell apart. In his memories of the shinjuku hunt he remembers certain people who were looking at him as he left, perhaps they were not just ordinary gantzers but were his actual team that he formed Hence why he remembers them and not mr loner nishi. Also the memories of the fight looks like a team coordination. Perhaps if kurono comes back to gantz he will not be the great hero and leader he was last time (unless he remembers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow_Yellow
    I think you are forgetting that Izumi's current behaviour could be very different to his attitude when he was orginally in gantz. It is quite possible that Izumi was talented before but was also leading a strong team and that when he left that team fell apart. In his memories of the shinjuku hunt he remembers certain people who were looking at him as he left, perhaps they were not just ordinary gantzers but were his actual team that he formed Hence why he remembers them and not mr loner nishi. Also the memories of the fight looks like a team coordination. Perhaps if kurono comes back to gantz he will not be the great hero and leader he was last time (unless he remembers).
    To quote cooler(at least I believe cooler was the one who said this if not I am sorry) "Chances are that at that point in time Izumi's thought process was to "get the fuck out of there as fast as possible". This is probably exactly what Izumi's thought process was exactly like when he first entered gantz but then slowly realized that part of him missed something, and slowly the Izumi we know now surfaced. Just like how Kurouno went from being a total ass to being at the least a decent person from going through Gantz. Same with his motifs changing.

    I'm not so sure what you say is completely accurate. I mean yes I get where your coming from but if Gantz resets them EXACTLY before they get their first injury then Kurouno wouldn't know about the, either 4 or 6, tanaka's he killed in the house as one of the babies tore through his neck. As stated before Katou wouldn't know what would have happened to the onion dad because he was thrown off a cliff and never appeared until after the mission, so using him as an example(imo) isn't that great of a proof point, at least on that particular occasion.

    As for the original poster's statement on the suit, are you asking why the suit wasn't repaired?(it's been a while since I have read that chapter so clarify for me) If that is the question, simply Kurouno wasn't injured in that mission. No broken bones or cuts. Thats one of the few missions where he walks away unscathed physically, other than being tired from being scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou
    As stated before Katou wouldn't know what would have happened to the onion dad because he was thrown off a cliff and never appeared until after the mission, so using him as an example(imo) isn't that great of a proof point, at least on that particular occasion.
    Katou does show up at the end of the mission, before the onion alien is "sent up" by nishi. After getting thrown off the cliff he sees Kei jump the stairs, and just before the onion dad is going to kill kei, Kato sneaks up behind and puts onion dad into a headlock before onion dad slices way into his arm. I think the only reason Katou doesn't remember what happened to onion dad is because he lost like a bucket of blood and passed out.

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    WTF!
    hey you guys wrote an essay or something?
    Last edited by flash; 06-06-2006 at 02:48 PM.

 

 
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