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    Michael Eh? is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    I was wondering what flavour of Linux might be best for setting up an old PC as a Build Your Own game console. Most of the technology and programs already exist.

    Still why hasn't open source gaming to extend itself to game consoles including handhelds like PSP and DS. I think it be cool that you could play something like Open Arena on a PSP and DS using a linux/PC as a server.

    Also stuff like Bluetooth headsets for wireless connections, USB for standard controller connection. Having open source crossover game server would fun. Hurdles would be the DS since PSP has Memory Stick. Someone would have to create a download server for DS for linux.

    Linux has been ported to game consoles like Gamecube. So it leads me to wonder if the next real big console will be one that is upgradeable like a PC. They have a $1(50) laptop. A console won't even cost that much, not if the industry supports a strip down motherboard with built-in TV out, WiFi, Bluetooth and LAN with only USB connectors and maybe one PCI slot. Throw in the climline DVD drive and replaceable HD it could be as small as PS2.

    Still this is just musing at the posiblities....
    ---mike---

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    Game consoles will never become upgradeable like PCs, that will undermine their greatest strengths:

    - no need for legacy device support means the OS can be stripped down to provide much better performance
    - ease of developing and tailoring games due to every console having the same hardware
    - easier to test games due to every console having the same hardware, leading to less bugs and instability

    As for your question about Linux, I don't have a clue. I've never bothered installing it on any of my personal rigs, I've only used it as a software development platform at university.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Eh? View Post
    I was wondering what flavour of Linux might be best for setting up an old PC as a Build Your Own game console. Most of the technology and programs already exist.

    Still why hasn't open source gaming to extend itself to game consoles including handhelds like PSP and DS. I think it be cool that you could play something like Open Arena on a PSP and DS using a linux/PC as a server.

    Also stuff like Bluetooth headsets for wireless connections, USB for standard controller connection. Having open source crossover game server would fun. Hurdles would be the DS since PSP has Memory Stick. Someone would have to create a download server for DS for linux.
    Yeah, or you could just play games on a windows machine and save yourself some hassle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Eh? View Post
    Linux has been ported to game consoles like Gamecube. So it leads me to wonder if the next real big console will be one that is upgradeable like a PC. They have a $1(50) laptop. A console won't even cost that much, not if the industry supports a strip down motherboard with built-in TV out, WiFi, Bluetooth and LAN with only USB connectors and maybe one PCI slot. Throw in the climline DVD drive and replaceable HD it could be as small as PS2.
    Yes, lets go and create bespoke hardware so that we can play games on a TV.............. oh wait.

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    Aside from the fact that 98abaile pointed, Linux is not some miracle OS descended from heavens itself, to save mankind from the root evil of the world!

    Mac,Linux,Sun,Windows,DOS, all have C compilers.. and thats essentially all you need to create a game.

    That brings me to game programming, I dunno if you ever looked into it.
    But its not user friendly!!

    Its not drag'n'drop create a story and voilà we have a game!
    And if you tell me RPG maker II, you deserve to be shot.

    Other thing, look PS2 for example, even if you put linux with it with the official LInux kit, do you think 32MB of memory are enough for you to do heavy things? like rendering a CG?

    Plus there are better tools then linux for that matter, the SDKs. Tools made expecially for that purpose of creating a game for a certain console.. not linux that is a general tool just like windows.

    And for developing you really need a good computer.

    But back to the concept of your idea its flawed for the simple reason.

    While Console have the downfall of being un-upgradeable they have one thing any programer love! Standards!! All have the SAME hardware, the SAME drivers, the SAME engines..
    So if I make a game, and that game work on one console it WILL work on any console.

    Now look at PC games, how many don't work because, either, the driver is incorrectly, don't have necessary stuff, conflict with other softwares.

    Console is all about user friendlyness, plug in the outlet, plug in the tv, put the cd in, and PLAY!

    There is no drive updating, opening it up, upgrading parts!

    Lastly the main problem with homebrewing is.. piracy!
    If you can burn a game that works on any console, you can COPY a game that will work on any console.
    There is virtually no way now for you to diferenciate a licencied game from a copied game from or homebrew game.*I thought for a while here, and with all ideas I came up to diferenciate them, I aways came with one method to bypass that*

    Ie:
    Homebrew have special burner > just use the same burner to copy
    Original have special tag checking online > block console internet access
    Checksum > BIOS HACK..

    Just look at the current market, we got all kinds of modchips and stuff to bypass all kinds of protections.

    Making a opensource = licence to piracy on current world!

    If you want to create games, use the SDKS that you have on your computer.
    If you want to create games for a console, get a job at some company!
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

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    I think he meant "Build your own" game console, not "Build your own game" console.

    He's talking about turning a PC into a multi-console emulator, not about turning a console into a homebrew game development platform.

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    We already have upgradeable consoles, they're called computers, you'd just have to make the operating system stripped down like that of a console, but then you still have to worry about legacy device support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    I think he meant "Build your own" game console, not "Build your own game" console.
    I see~

    And yet I can't grasp what he wants. Something like:

    You go into the store and ask for
    3 cell processors
    1 NVIDEA RSX
    258MB RDX
    258MB DDR3
    Blue-Ray drive.
    and Siaxxis adapter?
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

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    Hmm true, it is hard to tell exactly what he's looking for... he does mention "open-source gaming" at one point in the post but I'm not exactly certain whether he means free-ware games, abandone-ware such as old ROMs, or editing/creating games. He does intend too use a PC, not installing Linux on a console, that much is all I know for sure.

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    Thanks for the response folks, both negative and positive.

    The idea is both BYO console and BYO games (or simply allow thrid party games developers a shot at the major consoles). Xbox is doing as such with the XNA SDK. The real challenge isn't the next big game but the next big game mechanics.

    The BYO console is more of using it as a portal or game server for all consoles and not just one system. The XO laptop may be the closest to this concept as being an open source hardware.
    ---mike---

 

 

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