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    xxDoLLarBiLLxx is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    u guys will like this: Sonny was unimpressed by the elite xbox lauch
    this is why they had to say:

    Quote Originally Posted by sony
    "We think every PlayStation 3 owner should have an 'elite' experience, which is why we include an internal hard drive and HDMI output in every PS3 we sell, along with the 50 GB of storage capacity on a high definition Blu-ray disc," said Peter Dille, Sony Computer Entertainment's senior vice president of marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sil´fer View Post
    The comeback for that one is that suposedly MS "gives" you the choice of wether to purchase those functions or not.

    Of course thats just corporate BS designed to sell you a console pretty much piece by piece.

    I still cant believe that MS decided to fuck the existing 10m userbase for the 360.

    btw- first post, hi everyone, nice meeting ya.
    i know, that's y i said what i said. For all the functions ps3 is a better deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by dollar
    u guys will like this: Sony was unimpressed by the elite xbox lauch
    this is why they had to say:

    Originally Posted by sony
    "We think every PlayStation 3 owner should have an 'elite' experience, which is why we include an internal hard drive and HDMI output in every PS3 we sell, along with the 50 GB of storage capacity on a high definition Blu-ray disc," said Peter Dille, Sony Computer Entertainment's senior vice president of marketing.
    i think sony had to have some kind of response to it's release, and of course they had to do their best to degrade their competition, and what they said is true, so yeah. =\


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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    its a marketing ploy. Look, everybody already knows that the PS3 is a more powerful machine than the Xbox, the only problems is, it doesn't have good games, tha'ts the only difference.
    Plus looks like they wont even add the HD=drive to this so called elite xbox.....
    Until the PS3 can render something as impressive as Gears of War, I wouldn't be so sure.

    I've read a quote in a magazine from one of the head honchos at Epic Games. Apparently a lot of game developers have been complaining to him that they can't get the Unreal 3 engine running nearly as fast or as pretty on the PS3 as they could with the Xbox 360. I'll give them a year though, to learn how to actually use the Cell processor before I make a proper judgement.

    EDIT: What the hell? I'm seeing more spelling and grammar mistakes in this one post than I've made in the past 10 years. FIXED.
    Last edited by MadDogMike; 03-30-2007 at 12:45 AM.

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    http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158322

    if its the same price... eh... might not be too bad of an idea. I hope it stays rumor though, it would be such a cheese move to up the ps3 hdd just because the 360 did it too.

    damnit i wanna know what the ps3's capabilities with exhdds are!!! >.<


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    It's here Xbox 360 Elite, they come with HDMI (1.2) and more storage with black finish.

    I was wondering how much graphic and sound quality can be better with HDMI on Xbox 360 compared to the VGA connection?

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    To everyone who thinks that the PS3 is more powerful than the X360:
    I would like some facts and figures showing how exactly it's more powerful and beneficial to games.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    I've read a quote in a magazine from one of the head honchos at Epic Games. Apparently a lot of game developers have been complaining to him that they can't get the Unreal 3 engine running nearly as fast or as pretty on the PS3 as they could with the Xbox 360.
    Want to know something that will blow your brains out?
    Essentially, the RSX is a 7900GT and the Xenos is like an HD2600XT.
    Let's slap the 8600GTS into the equation.

    From an architectural point of view (G71 vs G84 vs R580 vs R630)
    The G71 and R580 use the legacy/traditional pixel shader + vertex shader combo for rendering.
    The G84 and R630 are equipped with stream processors/unified shaders.

    Let's take Derek's take on some video cards:


    As you can see, in older games that are not shader-heavy, the X1900XT is much more powerful than slower clocked and crippled GPUs equipped with stream processors.
    From that graph, I can safely say that the RSX is somewhere between the X1950 Pro and the 7950GT. The performance of the Xenos is somewhere between the 7950GT and X1900XT.
    Here's a shader-heavy game:

    The gap between the 8600GTS and the higher-end cards is dramatically reduced.
    GPUs like the G71 and G73 are totally left behind.


    Here's what I intend to show with these facts:
    The RSX has lower shader processing capabilities than the Xenos to begin with in older games.
    The Xenos itself is very interesting. It has 48 unified shaders, more than the 32 of the 8600GTS. Its performance is visibly better in older games like FEAR (due to the greater amount of shaders) and a more powerful GPU itself (X1900XT>7950GT) and in newer games that require lots of shader processing capabilities from the graphics processing solution, the unified shaders help A LOT and sets the pace against non unified-shader video cards.
    Let's look at some engines that are/will be used for the new generation of video games. Offset Engine, Unreal Engine 3, Renderware, Gamebryo's next iterations as well as the Source Engine (unreleased build number).
    The Offset Engine is particularly shader intensive with the per-pixel motion blur that utilizes a specific shader function for that. NVIDIA developed their Lumenex Engine based on that.
    The Unreal Engine speaks for itself.
    Gamebryo and Renderware will perform almost the same on both the RSX and Xenos due to the fact that they don't really take advantage of the more advanced capabilities of the Xenos. These two are mostly tweaked and enhanced versions of their predecessors rather than complete revisions and updated tools that Unreal Engine 3 and Offset are.
    The Source Engine's orientation will be focused on the processor and will be multithreaded efficiently but requires the cores to be very similar.

    You guys are smart enough to conclude this on your own. The differences in architecture between the graphics processing capabilities of both consoles is obvious and the limitations are there.
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    Blow my brains out? Or were you just using my quote to support what you were saying? I already understand that the Xbox 360's Xenos GPU has better shader processing capabilities than the RSX. Those are pretty much the distinguishing features of the two consoles, the PS3 has plenty of raw processing power but the Xbox 360 has greater graphical capabilities.

    Actually, has anyone else noticed this trend with Sony? With all 3 generations of the Playstation console, they've focused almost solely on raw power and big numbers to impress people, but have always featured less than impressive graphical capabilities (looking from a technical viewpoint).


    PS1: Could render more polygons than any of the other competing consoles, but pretty much used software rendering.
    PS2: 128-bit processing turned out to be a load of hype with no noticeable benefits, and I don't even know if the PS2 could use pixel shading at all. If it did it was very minimal, because I never really noticed it.
    PS3: Explained above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sil&#180;fer View Post
    I still cant believe that MS decided to fuck the existing 10m userbase for the 360.

    btw- first post, hi everyone, nice meeting ya.
    Hi Sil,

    Why is it so difficult to believe?

    MS Gaming Divison has been making massive loses and it's not like Windows and Mr. Gates aren't the gaming world's perennial monopoly/new world order whipping boys.

    Initially the PS3 will be slow until it gets the game support in the same way as the orginal X-Box vs PS2 situation.

    But frankly consoles and the X box in particular are just PCs in a nice box which you plug into your TV. Hell they're even giving the X Box 360 a keyboard.

    Consoles seem to be growing into PC gaming dressed for people who are still scared of computers. It'd be interesting to see how the consoles stack up against Online PC gaming revenue.

    Nintendo did the sensible thing, came out with something radical, fun and aimed for a different market.
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    What a load of garbage.

    In the original Xbox v.s. PS2 situation, the PS2 won due to its huge head-start. Since the roles have reversed this time, what you said made no sense at all.

    The Xbox 360 will most likely never get a keyboard for gaming, because Microsoft expects people like you to make silly comparisons like you just did. They're just releasing a tiny keyboard attachment for controllers to save people from having to type with the controller when Windows Live Messenger gets released for the Xbox 360 in the near future.

    Comparing any console to a PC is stupid. Of course all consoles are computers, they're just made specifically with games and home-entertainment in mind. The user interface however (both graphically and physically) is very different, which is what defines gaming consoles and differentiates them from the average PC. How is the PS3 any different to the Xbox 360 in these regards? I thought all the people who were silly enough to make that comparison were shut down by people who actually knew what they were talking about during the last generation.

    Just because the original Xbox used retail PC components doesn't make it any different from the rest of the consoles, and it also has no effect on the Xbox 360.

    I also fail to see why any of these things would fuck over Xbox fans.
    Last edited by MadDogMike; 04-24-2007 at 08:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    What a load of garbage.

    In the original Xbox v.s. PS2 situation, the PS2 won due to its huge head-start. Since the roles have reversed this time, what you said made no sense at all.
    Not a chance. the ps2 won because it had vastly superior software and brand loyalty. the little year headstart isnt the reason that the ps2 sold like two and a half times as much as the xbox.
    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    The Xbox 360 will most likely never get a keyboard for gaming, because Microsoft expects people like you to make silly comparisons like you just did. They're just releasing a tiny keyboard attachment for controllers to save people from having to type with the controller when Windows Live Messenger gets released for the Xbox 360 in the near future.
    Who cares if its not a full sized keyboard. Having a full sized keyboard and a controller would be redundant on like a dozen levels especially if youre talking about gaming purposes. The little IM keyboard is just fine for anything you could need a keyboard for on a console.


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