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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    Nice try at nitpicking everything in my post. Allow me to explain most of the things you mentioned though.
    >.>
    You are hallucinating.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    - I believe that Gears of War is the best looking game out right now, but I'm sure that there are other games with graphical capabilities that are incredible in other ways. I was looking at IGN the other day, and it mentioned Medieval: Total War as having the best graphical engine on PC. I haven't played a lot of PC games lately, and because of that I was being careful.
    Gears is artistically and technically beautiful, but only at a console-level.

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    Also, I can quote you saying that Gears of War graphics are "weaksauce stuff" when trying to proclaim PC superiority in another thread around here.
    Compared to PC, yes they are not great.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    - Okay, I forgot that they also released the X1950XTX, but I have a magazine in my house which ran performance tests on a number of video cards, including the X1950XTX, and the 8800 GTX performed on average 1.63 times as good as that card . If it was the X1900XTX it would be closer to double the performance, but as far as I'm aware, it doesn't double the performance of the X1950XTX.
    You should look at the technical side of it too.
    With DX10's different driver model, the 8800GTX is WAY MORE than twice as fast as the X1950XTX.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    - The SLI comment was in reference to the insane quality that PCs can run the games at (while consoles are limited to 720p), not how fast they can render. I'm fully aware of the pros and cons of SLI.
    SLI is a useless talk here because even an 8800GTX can run Crysis at more than 1920x1200 smoothly as shown at CES (on crappy drivers too).

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    - If you take a closer look at the RAM comment, I've mentioned how even though up to 500MB of RAM is used by the operating system and other background processes, they still have much more RAM left over than they would normally need. I was pointing out how the amount of RAM in the typical PC outweighs the amount used for non-gaming activities by more than enough that it barely makes a difference. The only reason I mentioned the amount used in our current consoles is to show that the so called "bigger part" (yeah right...) of system resources that are hogged by the OS still leaves us with PLENTY of unused RAM (more than the consoles have to start off with).

    Sure, the consoles are using DDR3, but that's another point entirely from the one I was making. The OS taking up system resources used to be a big problem once upon a time, but not really anymore, which is the point I was trying to make (Vista may be another thing entirely though... a friend of mine needed to buy another 1GB of RAM to get F.E.A.R. to run smoothly on Vista).
    But comparing RAM on PC and consoles is really hard to do.
    The OS on a PC is constantly accessing your RAM. This precious bandwidth is wasted, something that's not really the case on consoles. The way console games are written, the RAM is more efficiently used. Remember that the NT driver model is really bad for games for the extra API that Direct X is causes a direct minimum of 30% hardware performance wasted.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post

    So anyway, if you weren't looking so hard for things to pick at, I doubt there would have been a problem here. I notice you seem to do that to my posts every now and then, and I can't figure out why.
    Dude, are you high or something?

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    No, I'm not high or hallucinating, but it seems that whenever I want to take part in a thread that deals with technology, you seem to want to disprove everything I say.

    Point is, you're picking out things from my post and taking them out of context. My post was divided up into paragraphs for a reason, each one deals with a different subject. Picking out little things from each paragraph and addressing them out of context just means that you're not really responding to the points that I was trying to make, just nitpicking all the tiny details you could find.

    I only talked about:

    - Gears of War looks great for a console, but PC can do better.
    - The 8800 GTX is more powerful than any of the consoles out right now, and two 8800 GTX cards in SLI mode (REGARDLESS of whether it's NEEDED or not given the current games), are indeed capable of much greater things than a single card. Technical details aside (like exact speed comparisons, etc), what is there to argue about that?
    - Operating systems do take a percentage of system resources, but since the processing power and resources available now completely eclipses what we had 5 to 10 years ago, these problems aren't as easily noticeable.

    Basically, PCs are capable of MUCH better graphics than the new generation of consoles, but we're just waiting for software that's able to push the boundaries, and money to buy the ridiculously expensive hardware.

    I'm going to build a new computer in a few months. I've already got enough money to do it right now, but I'm waiting for three reasons:

    1. Vista, so that it can take advantage of DX10.
    2. The new bunch of games coming out this year which will actually give me the reason to upgrade, no use upgrading when my current comp runs every game on high with no problem.
    3. If I wait for the above two reasons, new revisions of the DX10 video cards will come out (as they always do, just after you buy what you thought was the best one ), and other hardware prices will most likely drop. On top of that, nVidia and ATI will hopefully have sorted out any driver issues with their new lines of video cards.

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    But you see, I am allowed to argue about the use of two 8800GTX in SLI because... well, I have that.
    Two is very much useless and the performance increase with the current drivers are pretty much next to nothing.

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    Point is, it absolutely RAPES anything consoles can offer. I'm supporting your cause, damn it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    Point is, it absolutely RAPES anything consoles can offer. I'm supporting your cause, damn it!
    What cause?
    I like PC gaming and I think it is more powerful but it certainly fails when it comes to unit fun per monetary unit spent.

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    *sigh*

    The thread starter asks: Which is more powerful/capable of better graphics?

    We both say: PCs.


    If the question was "Which gives more bang for your buck?" then it's plain to see that Consoles are the winners. That's not the question though.

    (and it's very obvious that you're a massive PC fanboy, judging from other threads. Why are you going out of your way and against what you've said previously, just to make me look wrong in some way?)

    That is all I wish to say. Can we stop this now?

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    yeah, so lets talk about the upcoming R600

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperXTR View Post
    yeah, so lets talk about the upcoming R600
    And I quote, "ATI's R600 will consume over 250W Hot Milking Farmer."


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    I made an R600 thread in the tech section. >.>

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    thanks to everyone (including viper and Henchy432, that were of great help)
    @maddog : don't worry, your points were interesting as well

    if someone had a link to a comparative test that explains thoroughly that the PS3 and the XBOX360 are both owned by PCs (high end PCs of course), that would be great though, as this friend of mine is very narrow minded sometimes
    to give an example, i had to give proof that "pingouins" can fly quite well because he didn't want to accept it even though we were 2 who were saying that to him xP....
    for the little anecdote, "penguin" (in english) != "pingouin" (in french), which leads to a lot of misunderstanding... (english "penguin" => french "manchot", and french "pingouin" => english "auk".... even some dictionaries mistranslates these names)

 

 
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