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    Another point to throw in there - from what I've seen at games development companies, though the games are programmed for the consoles, they're always programmed on PCs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingSquirrel
    do I need to remind you that you can't compare consoles to PC's just by the GPU? I can go into all the technical mumbo jumbo about how different the PS3 and X360 architecture is different from a PC but the simple fact is this. Consoles are machines designed ground up for the sole purpose of gaming, PC's aren't. This has been the same case for every single piece of technology in existence. Multi-purpose technology will never be as efficient at performing a certain task as a technology specifically designed to perform that same task. PC's will have to be drastically more powerful than a console for its games to be on the same technical level.
    Hell, 2 years ago the Xbox was neck to neck with the most current PC games at the time with a 733 mhz CPU.

    Besides, there's a little something called the lowest common denominator factor I'm sure you've heard of. If you take the average graphics quality of every single Xbox360 game and for every new PC game since Xbox360's release date, I can guarantee you that on average, Xbox360 games look better.

    Just because a $2500 dollar PC can run oblivion at an 10-15 higher FPS doesn't say anything, since for 90% of the computers out there, it can't. Meaning 90% of the PC's out there are still, inferior to the Xbox360.

    In conclusion

    PC's = bottlenecked by its own inefficiencies and the lowest common demoniator factor except for the extreme minority of developers who enjoy making games that no one can run.

    Consoles = none of above bottlenecks.



    P.S. I'd like to see a PC try to run any game straight off a DVD without installing. Oh wait, not possible, lots of people still have CD drives and need to swap 7 discs, shame. And here we have Sony already starting to make the next generation format, blu-ray, standard for all of its games.
    Windows Vista gives the games direct access to the hardware much like consoles do. Moreover, game engines are scalable for computers of different hardware.
    Yes, PC gamers need to install games, but do I need to remind you that this helps to achieve shorter load times, etc?

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    I'd just like to point out that even if lots of people can't afford the latest PCs, that doesn't mean that they don't count. The fact that a PC exists which can run that game means that PCs are capable of running games far more graphically intense than any console at the moment.

    It doesn't matter how many people can afford one. I could just as easily point out that an Xbox 360 and a 720p HDTV costs just as much, and in some cases more than a top of the line PC. Not many people can afford that either.

    Even after saying all that, I still like consoles better because of the much greater range of gameplay types on offer.

    Oh yes, and Crysis is splooge-worthy. *splooges*

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    i spent 700 bucks two years ago on parts that weren't great, and i can run oblivion with a bit of chop in the outdoor areas. admittedly, i have draw distances for stuff like trees set way out and canopy shadows on. other games like F.E.A.R and HL2, i can run fine. i would sooner blow another 600 bucks to upgrade my pc again before i'd pay for a next gen console like the ps3.

    P.S. I'd like to see a PC try to run any game straight off a DVD without installing. Oh wait, not possible, lots of people still have CD drives and need to swap 7 discs, shame. And here we have Sony already starting to make the next generation format, blu-ray, standard for all of its games.
    also, i don't think i've paid for a pc-game since sometime in the 90's. i haven't installed OR played a game off of an actual, physical CD/DVD in years.
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    PC >> Consoles for another great reason. Well, 2 actually.

    Mods and Patches.
    Mods speak for themselves.

    Lots of people consider patches a bad thing, but they're an advantage. What would you rather have:
    A buggy game which will always be buggy?
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    A buggy game which can be fixed with a small download?

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    Nice job trolling, Jyuu. I swear, E3 practically exists to make people into fanboys/elitist assholes. Aren't you violating your own rules by being a PC fanboy? The rules state that no fanboyism is allowed.

    But yes, Crysis is definitly beautiful. Whether it will actually be a good game, or simply an engine that some other game will put to better use, remains to be seen.
    I told him once or twice; to stop playin' cards, and shootin' dice.... he's in the jailhouse now

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    Well if it retains similar combat mechanics and game design to Far Cry (PC VERSION), then it will be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike
    Well if it retains similar combat mechanics and game design to Far Cry (PC VERSION), then it will be awesome.
    Err no, if it's anything like Farcry, it's going to be shite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98abaile
    Err no, if it's anything like Farcry, it's going to be shite.
    Far Cry is one of the better FPS games out there, believe it or not. Awesome AI, fun combat with weapons that actually felt powerful to use, good mixture of stealth and action, good mixture of indoor and outdoor areas, oozing atmosphere, good use of tension and some genuinely frightening moments. Throw in some awesome graphics, and what more could you want from an FPS?

    Ok, so the story could have definately used some work, but that's about it.

    What was it about the game that you particularly disliked?


    Oh, and I don't think you are, but if you are indeed talking about the Xbox/Xbox 360 version of the game, they're both completely different to the PC version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike
    Far Cry is one of the better FPS games out there, believe it or not. Awesome AI, fun combat with weapons that actually felt powerful to use, good mixture of stealth and action, good mixture of indoor and outdoor areas, oozing atmosphere, good use of tension and some genuinely frightening moments. Throw in some awesome graphics, and what more could you want from an FPS?

    Ok, so the story could have definately used some work, but that's about it.

    What was it about the game that you particularly disliked?


    Oh, and I don't think you are, but if you are indeed talking about the Xbox/Xbox 360 version of the game, they're both completely different to the PC version.
    I have the PC version.......................it sucks.

    The weapons did not feel powerful, go play Halo.
    The stealth parts were OK at best, the combat was mindless.
    If you've ever played around with the cry engine, you'll know that the AI is nothing to write home about (if you know anything about state machines, you'll know that Farcry AI is very simplistic), and the appearance of the enemy mercs were more comic than threatening.

    However I will admit the graphics were of fairly high standard (on a high end PC which I don't have) and I liked the tension, but that was all it had going for it.

 

 
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