Father and Holenheim (slave #27 I beleive) are neither homunculi nor just human. As someone stated not to long ago, human homunculi age, neither of these two do. Thirdly, there are several "compleate" stones out there already. You don't need a whole country to make one. That means that in the first "explosion" could of had enough residual energy to craft a homunculi and we wouldn't know. Secondly, since Pride is the first one made (as stated in the manga) he might just be using a more powerfull stone comparied to the others, or have a sourse totaly diffrent (maybe Father realized he couldn't support more then one other feeding off of him?). Also to tell you what Father is, well, he made himself and Holenheim into the same thing. That means that Father, like Holenheim is a "True" Philosopher's Stone. The diffrence between these two aspects (compleate vs. true) is simple, while you still need to obay basic rules, a compleate stone has enough energy to maintain a basic state and structure. Think of all the stones we have seen to this point. Each (imho) probably has some glitch in it to maintain that particular shape (one might be better for a user because of a slightly higher mix of some odd element/chemical) However, both Holenheim and Father are living breathing Phillosopher Stones. They are walking sources of Alchemy. They can willingly give out their power, or hoard it, and just by touch. They each still have their original will, but the power of the stone is also a part of them like breathing is a part of us.
hey we can discuss about this until next chap out.
ok,hohenheim(#23:chp 78 reread that) and father.
here's my thought about them:hohenheim was human,but by standing in the centre of the circle he is now a philosopher stone,a complete one.
father was a homunculus,and same case with hohenheim is now the same with hohenheim.
you're right about pride was the first was made BY father not the first homunculus made in FMA.(read chp 74-75).
I said that it's not complete,because compared to father and hohenheim,all of the homunculus made(don't know about pride and sloth)by father only used a little amount of human(bleehhh)
Heh, at least it gives us something to talk about, right? ;) Anyways, about Hohenheim's no., I just couldn't remember and was being very lazy. Now if I'm understanding this right, both of us basicly agree that Hohenheim and Father are equivently the same. Now, for your statement about father using only a little bit of human in the others (mabey not sloth or pride), I won't argue to much about that either, because he basicly used the one human emotion/sin to form them. The question is still about what pride is though, is he just a stone implanted with the desires of Pride, or might it be that Father instilled his former body with a stone and will? Also, if the tie between Father and Pride is that strong (Pride being his former body) might Pride not need a stone at all, instead feeding his energy from Father? Personally I think that Pride is habiting Father's old body, due to the simularities Hohenheim noted between Father's original form and Pride's (imho) prefered form.
I think because it is "pride" and father used to love and so proud(maybe) his old form,then pride homunculus form is the same with father's old form,although now the "flask" that restraint pride is bigger.I still think pride used stone but a better one since he's the first kid made by father.ahh forget about pride for now,what worry me is the blood spilled in briggs if elrics don't do anything about it fast....
Actually, with the blood spilled at Briggs, it might be to late. As someone else stated, it never said that it had to be the soldiers of Briggs that needed to die, but just that there had to be enough death. My next question to you is why would Pride need a "flask" if it isn't in some way Father's original body? I've noted that all host based homunculi thus far retian some of their "true" body in the "attack" form that they take. In Wraith and Greed's case it is the only body, but the monster Envy was looks a little like the chamelion chimera he is.
Can anyone please post a link to FH's site?
Thanks in advance.
yep,the one that stated that was me in this topic.because it is pride and father was so proud of it former self then maybe he made it EXACTLY like he used to be,needs a container or "flask".we don't know the "attack" form of pride except that it chased people using that creepy black thing.about the attack form,what will it be for lust?every homunculus have its own specialty like armor,eye,mouth,spear(or needle??)??what is envy's specialty then?
Envy's like one of those sea things :p... y'know the "apply water and it grows" things
All this talk over Pride, homunculus and stuff...
So each homunculi of Father's is a human emotion he shed from himself, he could theoretically prolly make a "joy" homunculi :p, or anger and stuff, though that would shed him further of his emotions.
So since Fathers already shed himself of his 7 sins, he wont feel them again, unless they can somehow manifest inside him in new forms again, but even then these new feelings of lust and such may not manifest the same way as before...
I didn't gather Hohenheim as a philosophers stone himself, much of him still seems human enough, like Ed and Al came out completely human, so Hohenheim down to his DNA is at least still quite human, but something about him has been changed to stop aging... Hmmm... not enough to draw out assumptions yet, so I'll wait and see what more is told of them in later chapters
Holenheim said it himself that he is the Phillosopher's Stone. Granted, it might be him over exageratting, but remember that the P.S. is not set in any one form. So who says he can't be human, and yet also be the P.S.?
I think fear is his main weapon, other then that perhaps Prides teeth can do actual damage? As for Lust, her weapon was the "ultimate spear." Basicly she could make almost any part of her body into a spear that could penetrate almost anything (exepting maybe Greed's Ultimate Armour). In addition she had the ability to controle the shape/size of the spear.
As far as Envy's ability... I think every other Homunculus is locked into one or (in the case of Pride) two forms. Envy freely changes form, and doesn't even blink. Also despite being rash, he is also the only one they send to do covert ops by impersination of someone actually alive. The only other "covert" ops we've seen has been with people who have been given, or have assumed a public identity.
yes,maybe envy's weapon is change its form.but lust can do that once...