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    1. Yeah, I'm stupid ...
    2. I'll make more time-updates now
    3. I'm stupid

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    Bipolar is a townie, and adonai is a mafia.
    The best scenario, where the seer actually contacted bipolar, and pinged adonai. There is a flaw with this, however. That being, as bipolar said he was not pinged, the seer is a complete idiot.
    When did I say that I was not pinged? (Unless you misunderstood me, or I said that the seer was a fake, then he'd not ping me.)
    Right, back to analysis.

    First scenario: No, me and adonai are good players, we wouldn't do something so stupid.
    Second scenario: I would of tried to get adonai through a night kill if I was a mafia, not through votes.
    Third scenario: I want the coroner to confirm that adonai is a mafia, then he'd contact me. I don't think the mafia are lame enough to take such a bold step. (well they wouldn't be lame). Hopefully the coroner isn't dead.
    Fourth scenario: I didn't say I was not pinged, or I didn't mean it that way.

    Edit: what about irecinius?
    Oh, wait, nothing about that. Anyways, from the pattern of killing, I can see that the mafia aren't trying to go for the good players, but they're going for the suspected seers. If I was a mafia, the seer would of contacted someone else who is innocent (that he pinged.).

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    I think I've seen enough, I vote Adonai

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolargraph View Post
    When did I say that I was not pinged? (Unless you misunderstood me, or I said that the seer was a fake, then he'd not ping me.)
    .
    I am confused...

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    1.Bipolar is a mafia, adonai is mafia:
    A ruse to bring out the seer, or to sacrifice one of them to make the other seem trustworthy.
    Right....urm....no. Well it MAY be( who knows?) but I doubt it.

    2.Bipolar is mafia, adonai is townie:
    Bipolar is using this to take out townies he feels would be a threat, and, taking advantage of the fact that anyone that can honestly claim he is not who he says he is, will summarily be marked for death by the other townies.
    If this were the case, shouldn't have another person come and declare that he is the pinged one and that bob is a liar and all?
    this wouldn't mean that the second person was right or anything but at leat it would bring some doubt.

    3.Bipolar is a townie, adonai is a townie:
    Here, there are two possibilities. One, is that the person contacting bipolar is a fake, and we are in trouble. The other, bipolar is trying to make himself seem suspicious so that he actually will get pinged, and can become part of the group. Neither is a very nice scenario.
    a. =__=
    but the thing I said at nr 2 applies for this case as well, I think.
    b. I don't believe he's that stupid, for god's sake.

    4.Bipolar is a townie, and adonai is a mafia.
    The best scenario, where the seer actually contacted bipolar, and pinged adonai. There is a flaw with this, however. That being, as bipolar said he was not pinged, the seer is a complete idiot.
    yeah. no comment on this one.





    anyway, the idea is: for 2 & 3 ...& 4 actually

    isn't it odd that there isn't another person claiming to be pinged by the seer?
    shouldn't there be someone contradicting bob??
    then, logicall, speaking ( unless that specific person is inactive), doesn't this conclude with bob being the real spokesperson? o__o
    the it should be 1 or 4.

    just my 2 cents.


    Unless someone gives me a good reason to why I would be wrong, Adonai.
    I did suspect you from the beginning though......

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolargraph View Post
    When did I say that I was not pinged? (Unless you misunderstood me, or I said that the seer was a fake, then he'd not ping me.)
    Right, back to analysis.

    First scenario: No, me and adonai are good players, we wouldn't do something so stupid.
    Second scenario: I would of tried to get adonai through a night kill if I was a mafia, not through votes.
    Third scenario: I want the coroner to confirm that adonai is a mafia, then he'd contact me. I don't think the mafia are lame enough to take such a bold step. (well they wouldn't be lame). Hopefully the coroner isn't dead.
    Fourth scenario: I didn't say I was not pinged, or I didn't mean it that way.

    Edit: what about irecinius?
    Oh, wait, nothing about that. Anyways, from the pattern of killing, I can see that the mafia aren't trying to go for the good players, but they're going for the suspected seers. If I was a mafia, the seer would of contacted someone else who is innocent (that he pinged.).
    First Scenario:
    Actually the most clever of all of them, the one I am most afraid of. One sacrifices the other, it doesn't matter which the townies believe, because the one they don't kill is automatically trusted. You(the survivor) are either the trusted spokesman, or the innocent framed townie.

    Second Scenario:
    Except for the fact that you just said the mafia is trying to take out the possible seers. If that is the case, this would be a way to get an extra kill, to take out the crafty players the mafia is afraid of, while still taking out the possible seers.

    Third Scenario:
    Unless they are trying to take out three people at once. Adonai, a townie, you, once the coroner says adonai is a townie(two free kills for them), and whoever speaks for the coroner/seer to say this is not the case. But I agree, a bit too bold to be seriously considered.

    Fourth Scenario:
    Possibly I read this wrong?
    , I took one of them down (well the seer pinged him not me, so he takes the credit lol)
    I hope you are pinged, and I hope this is the case.

    To be honest? My money is Scenario 4. I think Adonai is a mafia, have been suspicious of it since the beginning. But I don't want to discount anything.

    @sakura-
    Yes, you bring up good points. However, I am merely laying out all the possible options.
    Also, you forget that in the bipolar-is-mafia scenario, if the seer is dumb enough to contact bipolar without pinging, they would take out the other people the seer pinged, not the seer itself first(so there will be no other naysayers), and then take out the seer tonight, when they have an extra kill. But, as can easily be seen, this is also unlikely.
    Last edited by Jakko; 04-12-2008 at 03:57 PM.

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    If everybody suspect Scenario 4 more then the others, what are you guys waiting for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raszagal View Post
    If everybody suspect Scenario 4 more then the others, what are you guys waiting for?
    Because people pushing really hard for lynching makes me suspicious.

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    How can you have been pinged, bipolar? You claimed that the seer pinged adonai on night one, and you were late in getting their PM so voted for adonai on night two. Unless the seer was abnormally fast and pinged someone very early in night two and you're lying about the time (that you got the message later than you should have - because you should know you can't vote during a night phase), you haven't been pinged.

    That, or adonai wasn't pinged.

    Right now, I'm suspecting scenario one, as I mentioned in the previous thread. However, it's not unreasonable that adonai is innocent, either. Neither the seer nor the coroner can come out in the open and say that you're wrong without dying, and if said seer/coroner chooses not to contact you because they know you're a mafioso, you can say that they're probably dead/don't trust you/whatever.
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    Hello! Living world!!
    I'd like to say, too soon too soon..

    Well if now its the test of the seer and cornoner:
    If everything went I hope it did.

    Day 1, seer should've pinged me: wasting his ping since I died.
    Day 2, Coroner should've checked URAMESHI corpse (since seer would've probably pinged me already)
    Day 2, Seer should've pingued a somewhat random person, but best choices would be: JAKKO, ADONAI or DE.
    So right now, the seer should have the identity of someone LIVING.

    Although even if the coroner didn't pick Urameshi, I have no doubt it would come as mafia, wouldn't be a wise choice to do that..
    kiamnenieh, death doesn't seem to be all that random!
    He had the same idea as I did, sitting and not lynching is not going to help the townies.
    If we had lynched at least ONE person, even if thats 1% chance of hitting a mafia, its good enough for me at least.

    My suspects are: 1- Jakko
    Jakko worked hard on me on the first day, questioning me way too much to really know if I was a regular townie..
    That made be believe two things, Jakko was either Mafia, or Guardian.

    He wanted to make sure I was a roled townie being bold enough to try to gather everyone on the first day.
    Since I died probably by the hitman, I think they also weren't sure enough, thus used their kill to silence me..
    And Urameshi was their first random choice.
    Since that Jakko is playing safe now, of course he asked to be pinged, yet he didn't die..
    was it because the mafia is kind hearted?
    "I would let me get pinged(if the seer chooses to do so) without killing me. Afterall, you need some way to find out the seer, or you yourselves will be shooting blindly in the dark all game."
    This one doesn't make sense to me, because they aren't shooting in the dark, they know who is a mafia and who isn't, the one that aren't are their enemies.
    Their worse enemy is the townies banding together, letting YOU live is a far great risk.

    And if mafia had same idea then me, he would be a far better choice for a second kill, instead of Kiam.

    2- Adonai:
    Again, sure he didn't want to be guarded, but asked to be pingued but that would be probably against 3 or even 4 people, bringing the chance of him being the one pingued to 25%.. Low odds, means he could get 4 days to live.. if he's the last one to be pinged, and even if two of them are mafias, would be easy to sacrifice one to get the seer.

    Sorry you just smart enough for things like this and planing way ahead, no matter you still a great suspect^^


    The ones that asked to be pingued: Adonai, Jakko, DE(she did say she didn't want to be pingued.. but that makes her just a more likely to BE pingued.. reverse phycology )
    But there is HENCHY here, he didn't ask to be pingued, but Deuce just gave the hint: "and you should be ping as well"
    Henchy gave no response, or better NO ONE paid attention to that, like he was completely ignored! I know deuce sometimes doesn't aways speak seriously, but normally everyone give him some other silly response on it..

    that brings me that that Henchy could one of the mafias.

    My course of action?
    Lynch Jakko. Ping either DE,Adonai,Henchy. ( if you haven't pingued already )

    I guess since we know who is going to die, today coroner ask to check jakko's body, the answer will be here tomorrow.

    If the seer managed to ping someone else and it turned out to be a townie, reveal yourself to him/her and send (2) 5 digits password with it..

    That person will use one of the 5digits password on the post, to talk to us.
    Even that we don't know about that password, the seer and the confirmed townie will know who is lying..

    I'll devise some plan on the possible scenarios in a while.. but I guess this is what everyone should go with!
    Last edited by irecinius; 04-12-2008 at 04:07 PM.

 

 
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