mafia game day five - the memory remains

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Originally Posted by Evail691

DE Im now certain you are mafia beyond a doubt. And seeing as once I die its practically endgame for townies its no surprise that the mafia eliminated silver [mind you I will admit I wanted silver to die in an ulterior sense for being slow on catching on to my role..or lack of however you may wish to see it], personally I was hoping that more people would have bandwagon voted with me to save him.

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What evidence do you have to make that claim? As far as I know, you're voting for me simply because I voted for you. Adonai said that Kolox was the seer, which means it isn't you - unless adonai was lying, although considering your suspicious actions, I doubt that - and there's no way of being certain "beyond a doubt" that I'm a Mafioso without that evidence. Even I'm willing to believe that you are a townie despite the evidence being against you - there is a small chance of that.

Anyway, claiming to have a role (and an unidentified one, at that) is a favourite game of the mafia/werewolves/whoever in previous games. Provide more evidence or I'll just become even more suspicious of you myself.

(You wanted Silver to die because she didn't catch your hints about having some role? That's a really pathetic excuse.)

You're doing nothing to convince me that you're a townie.

Edit: Wait, isn't there some sort of paradox in this lynch-after-mafiakill timeline? Using last night as an example: if Silver was mafiakilled before adonai's lynching, then her vote technically shouldn't count since she's dead. However, this would mean that there were more votes for her than adonai, and adonai should be alive. (I suppose this could be explained by saying that adonai had the second-highest number of votes, but then, that wouldn't work if, say, some other person besides Silver was the other lynch target. If Kykashi had the second-highest number of votes, for example... and without Silver's vote, adonai + evail for Kykashi... so he would technically be dead.) So... what about that? :/

Oh this is... interesting. I vote DE... I want to see how/if Kykashi votes...

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Originally Posted by Ziazca

Oh this is... interesting. I vote DE... I want to see how/if Kykashi votes...

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Interesting. Two mafia, two votes for me. Although I suppose that could go the other way too.

Anyway, Evail, the only way you could logically have a role is if you're a Mafia. It's unlikely that you could be the seer, because adonai said Kolox was (although even if he lied, for you not to have contacted Silver - a confirmed townie - would have been just moronic). You're not the Fed. The only other possible townie role you could have is the guardian... but then, why not protect Silver last night if it was so obvious that she was the target? I don't recall you being an example of terrible playing in the past, so why now?

*huggles DE* I have no idea what role you are but I luv you very much right now

and sorry Adonai =/

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Originally Posted by Digital_Eon

Edit: Wait, isn't there some sort of paradox in this lynch-after-mafiakill timeline? Using last night as an example: if Silver was mafiakilled before adonai's lynching, then her vote technically shouldn't count since she's dead. However, this would mean that there were more votes for her than adonai, and adonai should be alive. (I suppose this could be explained by saying that adonai had the second-highest number of votes, but then, that wouldn't work if, say, some other person besides Silver was the other lynch target. If Kykashi had the second-highest number of votes, for example... and without Silver's vote, adonai + evail for Kykashi... so he would technically be dead.) So... what about that? :/

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hmmm, interesting...
never seen it that way...
well the lynchvotes aer made during the dayphase, thats why it isn't allowed to vote anyone after the day ends...
In my game (it seems that this is the only game with that kill order)
the lyches are carried out the next morning...
let's say it's to give the voted person one last night...
I know that explaination doesn't go along with the stories i wrote..
but It's the best explaination I've got.
because I must admit that I haven't thought about that before...
It seems this game has many mistakes in the rules. Well I consider It a good lesson in how to do things wrong.
I promise the next one (If I'll ever again host a game) will be better...

I hope this is the last time my rules are contradictory.

The only thing I can do is stick to the rules till the end and apologize for them not beeing to well thought out...

Alright how about I simply reveal my role.... *drum roll* ... Townie.

Now whether you believe me or not at this point is of course up to you. Call it a gut feeling or whatever you like but the fact that you always play silently and then open up towards the end as quite the killer is somehow....lets call it interesting.

Now fortunately, at least for the moment, had silver been still alive she would have been swayed by your mafia logic and secured a lynch on me.

More or less whether I die is practically up to Kykashi now; do the right thing man.

I will end the day at 24.00 cet (6hours12min from now)

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Originally Posted by Evail691

Now whether you believe me or not at this point is of course up to you. Call it a gut feeling or whatever you like but the fact that you always play silently and then open up towards the end as quite the killer is somehow....lets call it interesting.

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Sorry, but logic should be worth more than gut feeling. Don't you have any logical arguments for me being a mafioso?

It's also worth noting that in all the games I've played, I've only been part of the bad guys once. What do you mean by "I always play silently and open up towards the end as quite the killer"? I always play silently because I don't want to get killed, and since townie roles tend to favour me, that's good logic. The reason I'm arguing now is simply because, like everyone, I don't want to die... and I need to convince others of my innocence.

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Now fortunately, at least for the moment, had silver been still alive she would have been swayed by your mafia logic and secured a lynch on me.

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Silver was convinced that you were a Mafioso in previous rounds. I didn't even vote for you until now *just in case* despite Silver doing so previously.

Silver was shown to be slow on voting for the correct mafia before, in the case of me its no different. Her entire suspicion was based on first round actions, which, as you might know was meant as preventative action for someone to be lynched off right off the bat.

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Forgot to mention, you wanted a more logical arguement.

You mentioned you wanted to prove your innocence, but the only thing I have is my conviction against you. So once again, logically speaking, your innocence is proven by a lack of evidence outside of suspicion.
Now stay with me here.
If logic dictates that, why is it that you need to prove your innocence, unless of course you had something going against you, like a mafia role?

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Originally Posted by Evail691

Silver was shown to be slow on voting for the correct mafia before, in the case of me its no different. Her entire suspicion was based on first round actions, which, as you might know was meant as preventative action for someone to be lynched off right off the bat.

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Which means what? You're saying I would have convinced her that you were a Mafioso - which I believe you are - despite the fact that she was already suspicious of you.

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You mentioned you wanted to prove your innocence, but the only thing I have is my conviction against you. So once again, logically speaking, your innocence is proven by a lack of evidence outside of suspicion.
Now stay with me here.
If logic dictates that, why is it that you need to prove your innocence, unless of course you had something going against you, like a mafia role?

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Your belief that I am a mafioso is still something I need to prove wrong in order to persuade others that I am correct and you are a Mafioso. No one seems to be voting for anyone else, after all. Obviously, people aren't listening to logic - like Ziazca, although that just makes me a little suspicious considering s/he is now promoting a double lynch - and therefore I need to convince them of my innocence before I can present my argument of you being a Mafioso.