TWG #7 Day Two: Repentance

[Krytha]

Do we know 2 vampires died for sure? Someone saying anonymously on a bulletin board that 2 vampires died = believable?

[_Vincent_]

I could prove it but I'll need the guardians help before I can do that.

its like this:
1. guardian reveals himself.
2. unite roled townies under guardian.
3. coroner tells guardian info of the dead
4. guardian tells everyone

btw if all the roled townies revealed themseleves to the guardian. then they won't have to prove themselves cause if theres more than one coroner who contacted the guardian. then obviously one of them is lying. so any vamp/wolf wouldn't risk getting caught.

so thats why we need to have the guardian. >

[Krytha]

So basically, until you have your little arrangement, you can't prove that 2 vampires are dead.

[Kolox]

Anyone can say he is a guardian - how can you tell he is not a vampire or werewolf ?

The only way to prove oneself to be a guardian is to guardian to proclaim he is a guardian and hope someone will attack him and he will be able to guard himself. But then again - he will be revealed and enemy can attack him every round all the time.

Let's better not make guardian reveal himself at this stage. We need to know coroner, so guardian can protect him and coroner can say who is enemy and who is not.

[_Vincent_]

yeah even if the coroner suddenly just reveals himself. they wouldn't have any proof to show that they are the coroner. not only that but they'll be open targets for the wolves and the vamp. +_+

unless the psychic reveals himself and proves it but I'm completely against this one. so I'll rather have the first choice.

EDIT: if there are 2 people who stated that they are the guardian. obviously ones lying. the other one is open for an attack from the vamp or the wolves. also the psychic can confirm their identitiy. it should take around 1-2 days to set up this alliance.

EDIT2: this strategy worked before. Aikido was able to rally the townies at an early stage in the previous game. Townies won on that game btw.

[Kolox]

Well, allright then - I still have some doubts but if you assure victory with that strategy, I might as well go along with that.

Is this a reliable source? :

There were three, but only left is me.
Lynched by fate, assassinated by guile,
What heart shall I confide in all the while?

The last vampire, I am reformed,
I come to you, asking only a name.
No further attacks will happen,
unless you request there to be an action.

So with this, the answer I seek,
Who shall come to death with me?

-The Last Vampire

[_Vincent_]

I think the vamp is asking for help. he wants us to locate the wolf for him. kinda weird asking townies for help. I guess that vamps wants to join the townies

or maybe he practically gave up. its only the second day and he's all alone. ^^

[Jakko]

Well, allright then - I still have some doubts but if you assure victory with that strategy, I might as well go along with that.

Is this a reliable source? :

What I know is this:

You would get info if an assassin failed.

Point 1 : Mojo's death was different from Hanul's and rich's, in that he just disappears, while the other two are killed violently. Mojo's sounds like a regular kill, and the other two sound like assassinations.

Point 2 : Sirus said we would get info if the assassin failed. We didn't. The only thing that makes sense(since the assassin's would not not attack if they were bad, since there is no penalty or delay for attacking) is that one of the groups, vampire or wolf, did not use their regular attack.

Point 3 : the BB message says that one vampire was lynched, one was assassinated. Chiza was lynched, Hanul and rich, I think, assassinated. As I see it, IF, and bear in mind, IF, this is true, the one that wrote that is the vampire assassin, and killed one of his own. It couldn't be the other assassin, as the groups are in the dark same as us until the next day, and the BB message has to be written at night.

So, if this is to be trusted, we either have an ally, or a potential berserker werewolf(vampire style). I guess we will see if there are any attacks tomorrow(more than 2, at least).

The question I think we need to ask, is why was there not another regular attack? That speaks volumes to me.

[Kolox]

hmm

Point to Point 1 and Point 3: It's seems your reasoning is logical - so we could conclude that either Richthofen or Hanul was vampire and Chiza was a vampire too. That makes Mojo a townie - hopefully he wasn't really a guardian, since he declared it once.

Point to Point 2 : I have different theory - what if two groups have decided to kill the same person ? Then Mojo, who was killed regular way, was voted to be killed by both sides....
Since we had 3 self-proclaimed guardians and coroner, they were at the greatest risk...

Mojo -double regular kill
richthofen - assasin
hanul - assasin
Chiza - lynch

[_Vincent_]

@jakko: that is weird but they can't switch sides... right?
maybe the normal vamps/wolves were inactive and the assassin expected them to decide the normal kill but in the end nobody PM kaom for it. so they didn't get a normal kill.

anyway there are no hidden rules. this is confirmed. so there are no berserkers allies. we only have normal vamps/wolves and assassins.

:0 CPR has small bewbs!
Let's form a platoon and go look for a crusade to find this preacher! :P

you wrote that first BB didn't you