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    No Jakko,
    This one is stupid
    All the more reason to have them show up as the WH, and not a townie, at the beginning. Though the chance of the WH being pinged on the first night, and not having killed the first night, seems so low that I also consider making them seem a townie before a kill does not seem worth it.
    It's important that he's pinged as a townie before his first kill, he can keep quiet, don't use his skill, until he gathers info about the roled townies, and use them to find out the vampire, and before all the vampire gets killed, then he can show his fangs! It is not gonna be easy or gonna work like that, but at least he has a more chances of being undetected. Besides he's working alone, he's not as powerful as the mafia spy.

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    But that role (VH/BV) is not a Mafia/Wolf/Vampire, it is a townie's, and an independent role. If the VH won't come out as townie anymore, after having killed once, it will be not able to be independent, anymore. Just like flash said, all of its moves will be monitored.

    Besides, the one that gets that role should be cunning enough to decide when to kill, since that person will have to wait for a whole turn (if he/she only killed once) to be pinged as a townie, again.

    Then again, the role SHOULD be overpowered, in case that person wants to win alone, since that person is playing against everyone else.


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    but we have the necromancer to counter the berserker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    No Jakko,
    This one is stupid


    It's important that he's pinged as a townie before his first kill, he can keep quiet, don't use his skill, until he gathers info about the roled townies, and use them to find out the vampire, and before all the vampire gets killed, then he can show his fangs! It is not gonna be easy or gonna work like that, but at least he has a more chances of being undetected. Besides he's working alone, he's not as powerful as the mafia spy.
    No. Your idea is just plain stupid, as I see it. I don't know how else to say it.

    You are against the mafia spy, who is invisible to detection. Yet you also want a person 10x more dangerous than the mafia spy(as he is one person, so harder to discover and kill, and at the same time has as much power as the entire group of vampires), you want this person to potentially have some of the same powers(at least temporarily) as the mafia spy? That just seems insane. The VH, if he is trying to be the berserker, shouldn't be invisible, they should have the same vulnerabilities as the vampires.


    Or do you want to argue that all vampires should show up as townies before their first kill?

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    The werewolf hunter is a TOWNIE. S/he can only win as a townie unless they're a berserker (and even then they don't learn the identities of the Mafia). It's in the best interests of the hunter to be involved with and help townies, and since they ARE a townie they should show up as exactly what they are - the werewolf hunter.

    The hunter is a powerful role. It's an instant kill. I personally don't like the idea of berserkers, but if we must...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    No. Your idea is just plain stupid, as I see it. I don't know how else to say it.

    You are against the mafia spy, who is invisible to detection. Yet you also want a person 10x more dangerous than the mafia spy(as he is one person, so harder to discover and kill, and at the same time has as much power as the entire group of vampires), you want this person to potentially have some of the same powers(at least temporarily) as the mafia spy? That just seems insane. The VH, if he is trying to be the berserker, shouldn't be invisible, they should have the same vulnerabilities as the vampires.


    Or do you want to argue that all vampires should show up as townies before their first kill?
    That's what I want to hear, just tell us, that the hunter's too strong, don't give us BS,
    we all would understand.

    But you're not seeing what I'm seeing Jakko, even though he's as powerful as the mafia spy, maybe more, but his circumstances make him hard to win as berserker wolf, he needs to transform into a berserker first, he has to calculate the time correctly or he would make mistake and win as townie (hunter) and besides the plan can't be completely accurate a lot of other things going on too (vampire, necromancer, guardian, etc), if you think that making him *invisible* will make him win so easily, then you're more stupid than I thought.

    Well if you think he's too powerful, you can render his power, by making his chance less than 33% or 66% of becoming the berserker.
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    DUDE.

    The werewolf hunter is a TOWNIE.

    The berserker is a MAFIA.

    Two sides. You don't need to kill everyone else to win. It isn't hard to win as whatever you are unless your side is really stupid.

    The werewolf hunter has a role and should therefore be subject to seer pings at all times as they have the potential to use that role.
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    You don't need to kill everyone else to win. It isn't hard to win as whatever you are unless your side is really stupid.
    well I'm not the one who made that rule, the rule says, you have to kill everyone in order to win as the berserker.

    That might be a good idea having only 2 sides, simplify things, still that wouldn't be as interesting, but whatever, I'm not the one who decide.

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    Well, lets give the VH 2 choices, win as a townie, or try to win on his own. Meaning, he as to kill everyone, townie and mafia or kill NO ONE at all. He would be a townie if he is pinged before his first kill, and hunter after first kill. But after his first kill, his only option to winning is killing everyone. So then there are 3 possible outcomes to the ending the game. Townies win (VH didnt kill anyone), mafia wins, berserker/VH wins.

    edit: hmm...the question i'm rethinking about is the pinging thing...hmm....maybe i think its best that even the first ping he is VH.


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    ...Dude, the Werewolf Hunter, as long as s/he isn't a Berserker, is a ROLED TOWNIE and should therefore be pinged as such. No logic otherwise. You're pinged as the role you have.
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