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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    ^ What we saw on day three was an attack, SD said that wolves can not kill each other, he never mentioned that they cannot attack each other, it must have been risky, hoping that the guardian would protect him. Though of course, there was no risk to him at all (I'll explain this bellow).

    Do you even know why he suggested that we kill Hanul?

    I interpreted his posts in day three to mean that he was the seer, I contacted him saying that Hanul would seem to be part of the mafia. He played off of that and sacrificed him. I wouldn't even doubt that it was part of his plan (seriously, has it not occurred to anyone that Hanul was part of the mafia by day 3?). echo even mentioned me in the post that he first claimed to be the seer (though not by name), even though anyone with common sense would know that the real seer should not have revealed himself or herself like that. Those that I've PMed previously should know that this was my stance. He even tried to use the daily tally of townies and mafia that I suggested to be implemented, to gain trust by appearing to be one orchestrating the death of a mafia member.

    As I said previously, there is no reason for the mafia's decision to target echo to fail. There was no reason for anyone expect the guradian to act on day3, unless they themselves were in contact with the guardian. By the time that I first PMed echo, he had told me that there were two others that he trusted (he gave me their names), subsequently another member that we all trusted was allowed to join. Out of all of these, we all had good reasons to be townies, one of them is a mason (a dead mason, Dante, mentioned this before he died), one of them entered the game in an unusual manner almost guaranteeing that he or she had no roles, and I was the first one to suggest that the daily count of mafia and townies were put in place, as well as one of the two who started the process of hanging Hanul, with the other being echoblaze. The last member was DE, I had asked echo why he trusted her with his identity when there was good reason to keep it hidden (he still hadn't revealed himself at the time). But he couldn't provide a reasonable answer, I had even doubted DE until today, a bit before she died, when she revealed to me that she was the guardian. From what I can see, DE made a very foolish move, revealing herself to echo just as she revealed herself to me, and he used that opportunity to direct her to protect him on night after day3, allowing for a failed attacked that nevertheless appeared to be real, and then after day4 he discarded her as she was no longer useful.

    If you doubt me, just read through everything that I've posted so far and note any inconsistencies.

    As I said (and SD attested to), I did not lie.

    If there are any real seers left still playing, you guys really need to start doing your job...
    Quote Originally Posted by mangaguy View Post
    rofl no, the wolves attacked echo with an intent to kill, they would have killed him if not for the guardian. Sorry, adonai, you're a wolf. You could very well being lying about not being pinged, echo cannot be lying.
    To be quite honest, I have had similar suspicions to adonai as well.

    I had thought that the echoblaze could have engineered this. Unlikely, very unlikely, yet possible. I had thought that unlikely in the extreme was an understatement. However, if he could have pulled it off, it would have been perfect.

    The thing that would kill the whole thing is SD. In point of fact, neither I, nor any of you have recieved any real evidence that echo is the psychic, just that he was attacked. At the same time, we have recieved very real evidence that adonai is innocent, namely, SD's own words saying that adonai was correct when he said he hadn't recieved any PM's. SD, the one person in this game that we know is always 100% correct.

    How in the world can that be possible, if echo is the seer? To be perfectly honest, it isn't. Yet somehow it happened. That leads to only one possible conclusion: that echo is not the seer, that he is lying to us.

    Granted, I know I am not the best person to be saying this. I really don't like echo, so I am no doubt biased. But how else can that be explained? Or the fact that certain people, when shown this evidence, still vote blindly for adonai, the guy that all of us saw helped out the townies immensely by getting the clarification on the dead/trusted numbers? It smells of a set-up to me.

    I accept the possibility that I could be wrong about all of this. However, I don't see how. If I am in the wrong, show me. Until then, my vote is on echoblaze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    In point of fact, neither I, nor any of you have recieved any real evidence that echo is the psychic, just that he was attacked. At the same time, we have recieved very real evidence that adonai is innocent, namely, SD's own words saying that adonai was correct when he said he hadn't recieved any PM's. SD, the one person in this game that we know is always 100% correct.
    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    I decided that once the coroner is dead, the messages telling how many people can be trusted will cease. It's only logical.

    as for adonai and the 7th post... its correct... but.
    Yeah, SD statement is very convincing Jakko.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quiraikotsu View Post
    Adonai...
    You damn tricked me to trust you.
    >:[ OOOhhhh you make me angry.
    I'm going to hang, draw and quarter you to infinity.
    Guess I was wrong about DE being suspicious then... :/
    Pfft... some pathetic women's intuition I have...
    Well, you got the suspicion alright, but for the wrong reason, Quira.
    Last edited by flash; 04-18-2007 at 08:16 AM.

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    But if echo wasn't on our side, why would he have us lynch Hanul? Why would the mafia sacrifice one of their people? And what would echo gain by lying to us if he weren't the mafia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kawaiikitsune View Post
    But if echo wasn't on our side, why would he have us lynch Hanul? Why would the mafia sacrifice one of their people? And what would echo gain by lying to us if he weren't the mafia?
    To be perfectly honest, how do we know Hanul was mafia? By echo's statement alone. He was suspicious, yes, but we know no more. Heck, he could even have been mafia. I know I would consider him a loose cannon if I were mafia, and try to get rid of him(which shed's new light on this post: http://www.stoptazmo.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=50 , I get the feeling he was speaking to a specific group, and hope they all burned.) Maybe the coroner can confirm for us...

    And yes, flash, I was curious about that last word as well, but, in the end, there are no butts abut it(that was cheesy, but man, that was fun! ). Adonai said he didn't recieve a PM. Echo said he did. SD said adonai was correct. That tells us, as far as I can gather, that adonai is telling the truth, and that echo is lying. Look, I will admit, unlike some others, that I can be wrong. Maybe I am taking this conspiracy theory too far, but(yay!), until I see information to the contrary, I have no option but( ) to see it this way.

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    adonai I would have believe you if you didn't choose echo as a target.
    echo has been targeted by the mafia in the previous day.
    when echo dies, we don't have a seer anymore, so how do we know who the mafia is?

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    I'm pretty sure wolves cannot attempt to kill their own. AT ALL. That would mean echo is innocent and that he IS telling the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mangaguy View Post
    I'm pretty sure wolves cannot attempt to kill their own. AT ALL. That would mean echo is innocent and that he IS telling the truth.
    Well, I guess we need to ask SD that, before coming to any assumptions.
    I was under the impression that the mafia would attack, but fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    To be perfectly honest, how do we know Hanul was mafia? By echo's statement alone. He was suspicious, yes, but we know no more. Heck, he could even have been mafia. I know I would consider him a loose cannon if I were mafia, and try to get rid of him(which shed's new light on this post: http://www.stoptazmo.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=50 , I get the feeling he was speaking to a specific group, and hope they all burned.) Maybe the coroner can confirm for us...

    And yes, flash, I was curious about that last word as well, but, in the end, there are no butts abut it(that was cheesy, but man, that was fun! ). Adonai said he didn't recieve a PM. Echo said he did. SD said adonai was correct. That tells us, as far as I can gather, that adonai is telling the truth, and that echo is lying. Look, I will admit, unlike some others, that I can be wrong. Maybe I am taking this conspiracy theory too far, but(yay!), until I see information to the contrary, I have no option but( ) to see it this way.
    On Day Four, there were five mafia. On Day Five, there were four mafia. Since the mafia can't kill its own people, Hanul must have been the mafia, right? Unless I made a mistake somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kawaiikitsune View Post
    On Day Four, there were five mafia. On Day Five, there were four mafia. Since the mafia can't kill its own people, Hanul must have been the mafia, right? Unless I made a mistake somewhere.
    You forget the fact that the list was taken away, and then came back...can it still be fully trusted?

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    I'm pretty sure the mafia can attempt to kill one of their own.

    Another thing. Can the seers decide not to reverse ping?

 

 
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