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    Wow. That was a huge load of B.S.
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    @jakko

    i won't get into your analysis of every individual, at least not yet. i have an exam soon, and i need to be studying that. but i *will* answer your accusations though.
    Fine, here goes with the rebuttal.
    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    - strongarming/overtly threatening ? you couldn't have mentioned this before ? i said i was open to edit/additions to my summary. if you feel that it's too biased, then say so.
    If you had noticed, I haven't been able to "mention" this earlier, because I haven't been on. Namely because I have a job. A hard, boring, thankless job that pays money. And Pez.

    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    - i'm voicing my opinions strongly on that because mafia would want us to be uncertain, maybe even split the vote on dna2. by maintaining a strong position on dna2, i preempt any attempt by the mafia to persuade a vote for placeholder or otherwise
    Now, this is just a crock of sh$t. Utter idiocy would be a compliment to describe the mindset of anyone that believes this. There are 11, count-em, 11 votes for DNA. A mafia member would not try to save DNA, that would be considered lunacy. No, they would go along with the crowd, vote for the person, maybe sacrifice one of their own, all the while staying free of suspicion. It seemed little doubt the last day that DNA would die next if asian turned up human, you cannot expect me, or anyone else, to believe that the vote could possibly be changed from him, excepting someone saying, "LOL! I am a wolf. Ya RLY!"

    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    - now, to answer to your main concern: my so-called lie. i'll tell you how i got my info, it has nothing to do with roles and it's rather simple: check the first page in this thread. what do you see ? six cannot be trusted.

    you might have missed this but, originally steal left the breakdown out, as it provides an accurate analysis tool for townies. but after adonai and myself asked for it (as the game is currently heavily in favour of mafia), steal finally put that back in. the mafia spy may trick roled townies, but it doesn't obscure information given to the entire forum by the gamemaster

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    This, I also have trouble believing. Not that I have trouble believing the fact that it exists, I have trouble believing that it is accurate.

    Think about it. Having that is like having a second coroner. It is like a failsafe, a lie detector test, and almost killer to the wolves later in the game, I think. It defeats the whole purpose of having the coroner role. If I were a wolf, I would be *privately* raising hell about it. No, I think that the instatement, taking away, and then re-instatement is strange. Very strange.
    I would like to, but I cannot make myself trust that, much as it would be helpful. And if Aikido were here, I bet you he would say the same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    it looks like you dressed up this entire analysis post as a front for attacking me. you made a bunch of eyebrow-raising comments about other people too; why not devote big paragraphs to analyze those guys too ?
    Why? Because you seem to be becoming the leader. I said that I do not particularly suspect you. But that does not mean I trust you. I want to be sure I am being told the truth when I am told something. You are the only one that seems to have said something untrue, and been able to realize it beforehand. You are one of the top dogs in the game now, with that come accountability. I am trying to act as that(and to be honest, wouldn't this be a plum role for a wolf, acting as sucessor to Aikido?).


    @DE - I have been rather busy, and unable to spend long periods of time writing long posts. So, I have spent more time in AIM and IRC, where I can go idle, and make short posts, and influence people, drop hints on a more personal level. Also, in the other games where I was more out-front, I always died early. I want to live a little longer, this time.


    @All - I should point out, that making new accounts exclusively for PMing is againtst the rules of this site. Duplicate accounts are not allowed. For example, BlackApple. I, and, I hope, all the other mods said on our honor that we would not look at user profiles to see who was PMing. I should remind you not to do that. This should not have to have been said.

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    ohh I see that now, so we have a psychic who is also mason LOL,
    okay lemme read th whole post again.

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    im with jakko. my vote sticks.

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    Really? I thought about this too - telling us how many Mafia members are alive each night isn't really acting as the coroner. The coroner is also aware of what roles the dead have, which is still a huge asset to the townies and something important. Knowing that the guardian/seer/etc. is dead, and knowing how they died (did a Mafia kill them? Were they accidentally lynched?) is vital! If we townies lynch a roled townie, perhaps their defenders are innocent!

    Echoblaze was not necessarily lying by that - and if it isn't true, what was said is probably a misunderstanding more than a lie.

    And sperm, how convenient. You vote for someone who has no chance of dying this round, and who we have little evidence against besides Jakko's argument - not to mention he defended you, to some extent? Hmm. How convenient.
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    Lol....
    I dunno what to say about my description. You call me weird and high-strung. But you also make a comment about my stamina and my body...

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    Really? I thought about this too - telling us how many Mafia members are alive each night isn't really acting as the coroner. The coroner is also aware of what roles the dead have, which is still a huge asset to the townies and something important. Knowing that the guardian/seer/etc. is dead, and knowing how they died (did a Mafia kill them? Were they accidentally lynched?) is vital! If we townies lynch a roled townie, perhaps their defenders are innocent!

    Echoblaze was not necessarily lying by that - and if it isn't true, what was said is probably a misunderstanding more than a lie.

    And sperm, how convenient. You vote for someone who has no chance of dying this round, and who we have little evidence against besides Jakko's argument - not to mention he defended you, to some extent? Hmm. How convenient.

    Edit: Oh, look! Of all the people Jakko discussed... many are "too quiet", some have neutral comments, some have negative comments... and FOUR have positive ones. Minus DNA, there are FIVE Mafia left. Isn't that awfully convenient?
    Soooo, since you are one of the positive things, you are saying you are a mafia member, DE?

    Also, I think you should consider the role of the coroner. Finds out who died, specifically if they are mafia. That is their role. If we already have a list of the number of humans and mafia from the day before, and a list of the mafia and humans from the next day, and since mafia according to echo cannot kill their own, we can know exactly whethor or not if someone that was lynched was mafia or not....How exactly is that NOT like the coroner's ability, DE? Explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Lol....
    I dunno what to say about my description. You call me weird and high-strung. But you also make a comment about my stamina and my body...
    ZOMG! Hanul and Jakko MUST be allies! For Hanul not to get upset about Jakko's comments... suspicious behaviour indeed...

    Edit: My comments were positive? I edited that, actually; made a mistake in counting. I considered mine to be more negative, though.

    We do know if a Mafia was lynched. But Jakko, didn't you read my entire post? About how the coroner learns about roles, too? Which is also very useful in its own right for determining how our roled townies died? Hmmmm.
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    Okay I just read to the post of #75, I don't agree with Jakko, reason is already explained by DE and Echo. Logically, Aikido is a human (100% for sure, because of the hint given by Steal on post#1) and he wouldn't lie about the clue (11 letters male), it would be so stupid of him or he would be an asshole if he did that, thus makes the clue 100% valid and DNA (100%) the suspected person (11 letters, MALE). I'll read more again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Now, this is just a crock of sh$t. Utter idiocy would be a compliment to describe the mindset of anyone that believes this. There are 11, count-em, 11 votes for DNA. A mafia member would not try to save DNA, that would be considered lunacy. No, they would go along with the crowd, vote for the person, maybe sacrifice one of their own, all the while staying free of suspicion. It seemed little doubt the last day that DNA would die next if asian turned up human, you cannot expect me, or anyone else, to believe that the vote could possibly be changed from him, excepting someone saying, "LOL! I am a wolf. Ya RLY!"
    O RLY? 11 is a VERY misleading number. from the time of that particular post, ONLY ONE PERSON VOTED FOR DNA2. would a mafia really not ? not even try to nudge public opinion one bit ? there are 6 mafia members. even losing ONE, i would presume, would be a fairly big blow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    This, I also have trouble believing. Not that I have trouble believing the fact that it exists, I have trouble believing that it is accurate.

    Think about it. Having that is like having a second coroner. It is like a failsafe, a lie detector test, and almost killer to the wolves later in the game, I think. It defeats the whole purpose of having the coroner role. If I were a wolf, I would be *privately* raising hell about it. No, I think that the instatement, taking away, and then re-instatement is strange. Very strange.
    I would like to, but I cannot make myself trust that, much as it would be helpful. And if Aikido were here, I bet you he would say the same thing.
    didn't i say ? it was taken out at first. why ? i would bet that wolves *did* complain of this fact, using your very arguments. it was re-instated after me and adonai managed to persuade steal to put it back. how is that suspicious ? it's clear that the mafia killed at *least* one, possibly more, roled townies, and we haven't gotten a single one.

    along with the fact that the mafia spy is quite an unfair advantage (double check of everything is needed), we townies would need *some* sort of balancer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Why? Because you seem to be becoming the leader. I said that I do not particularly suspect you. But that does not mean I trust you. I want to be sure I am being told the truth when I am told something. You are the only one that seems to have said something untrue, and been able to realize it beforehand. You are one of the top dogs in the game now, with that come accountability. I am trying to act as that(and to be honest, wouldn't this be a plum role for a wolf, acting as sucessor to Aikido?).
    how am i becoming a leader ? sure, i might post a crapload of info everytime. but so far, only one person - who will remain anonymous - has taken the initiative to PM me. and no one in the entire thread has explicitly expressed support for me.

    as i have stated and reasoned out: what i said wasn't untrue. in any case, you're trying to undermine my non-existent following - how much sense does that make ?

    i haven't even tried to become a successor to aikido. i've been doing what i've been doing even before aikido revealed his role. how can you possibly accuse me of trying to take his role when i've been acting like before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Okay I just read to the post of #75, I don't agree with Jakko, reason is already explained by DE and Echo. Logically, Aikido is a human (100% for sure) and he wouldn't lie about the clue (11 letters male), it would be so stupid of him or make him an asshole if he did that, thus makes DNA (100%) he suspected person. I'll read more again.
    That is 100% wrong. Aikido was a human. His clue was right.

    What I am saying is that a mafia spy would come back as human, as that is the specific effect of their role, meaning we cannot be 100% sure of DNA. 90% tops, is what I am saying. This is all derived logically, by the way. Meaning that your logic is logically flawed.


    I am still waiting for an answer, DE.

    Edit: As I am against double posting, and my edits would be way behind the times by the time I finish, I will wait for another post before rebutting echo.

 

 
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