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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    t_p is definitely non-roled, right?

    Wasn't that why he asked for votes? I don't actually remember what he posted but that is what I heard people saying.

    *edit: and flash is subbing for kingdarr, right? Things are moving too fast for me to keep track...

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    Of course I feel guilty. I didn't trust in aikido when I should have. I let myself down when I didn't believe in him. I should have supported him, except my own viewpoint blinded me from the truth that Aikido was telling. It's like denying that Jesus existed when hes right there infront of you performing lots of miracles and telling you he's the son of god. Though I guess some would say that that isnt really guilt, though then again it could be guilt in a way that I didn't trust those I should have trusted and I acted according to my wrong perceptions and refusing to listen to those whose perceptions were correct.

    And I would like to point out,my paranoia and cynicism. Along with the belief that no real roled townie would just come forward and tell everyone their role, thats just asking for it. And even if they had protection, the guardian might die or protect someone else, so no real roled townie would reveal himself/herself, though I guess I was wrong on this one. I feared a double cross, due to well, the fact that no one would reveal their role at such an early point in the game where they probbly won't have a a base of votes to support them. It would be self-sacrifice, something with the townies cannot afford to do with the roled townies.

    And only for this round (I hope) will I probably be bandwagoning. Mainly since I have studies too you know(as fanatical I am about online games, I have to sadly cut time for this, though I should still be appearing maybe 5 times a day instead of the normal 20-30 times), and I can't decide on Quira or dna. Dna is a pretty much dead, quira might be an unknown mafia or such that Aikido wasn't able to get. So yeah, besides, most of the evidence points towards Dna, and Quira is suespected. You'd probably call it band wagoning if everyone voted for Dna, even if there was alot of evidence there to prove that he's mafia, you'd probably still be calling them bandwagoing.
    Last edited by Hanul; 04-14-2007 at 11:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Of course I feel guilty. I didn't trust in aikido when I should have. I let myself down when I didn't believe in him. I should have supported him, except my own viewpoint blinded me from the truth that Aikido was telling. It's like denying that Jesus existed when hes right there infront of you performing lots of miracles and telling you he's the son of god. Though I guess some would say that that isnt really guilt, though then again it could be guilt in a way that I didn't trust those I should have trusted and I acted according to my wrong perceptions and refusing to listen to those whose perceptions were correct.
    ... a tad over-dramatic, don't you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    And I would like to point out,my paranoia and cynicism. Along with the belief that no real roled townie would just come forward and tell everyone their role, thats just asking for it. And even if they had protection, the guardian might die or protect someone else, so no real roled townie would reveal himself/herself, though I guess I was wrong on this one. I feared a double cross, due to well, the fact that no one would reveal their role at such an early point in the game where they probbly won't have a a base of votes to support them. It would be self-sacrifice, something with the townies cannot afford to do with the roled townies.
    you might want to re-read Day 2. me and others have stated that the odds of aikido being innocent were higher than if he was not. caution yes, but you were clearly aligning yourself *against* aikido. here, let me refresh your memory:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Yeah, well if Asian turns out to a townie, all faith in aikido will be gone for me. And then it's back to being a cynic and following my own leads.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Even, though I still have a few suspiscions of Aikdio, there's no way of finding out except through this. If you're innocent, then it's most likely that Aikido is a mafia trying to throw us off. And if you aren't innocent, then we're all behind Aikido and his banner of townies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    @ aikido: I see, so basically this is blind trust solely on you. It's suspiscious but ok, would probably be more convincing if there was someone else who could confirm this.
    And yeah what Echo said, if asian is innocent, that makes us falter in our belief in you Aikido (though I'm already faltering). Now if asian is guilty, then of course we will follow you, unless this is some sort of mind game where your double crossing us by sacrificing a fellow mafia so that we may follow you only for you to direct our votes to innocent townies and roled townies untill we catch on, by then there will probably be several dead townies, including most likely a few roled ones.

    Edit: wow taking another look at this, I really am paranoid
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Which is why they might use that tactic. What better way is there that's so creative that we would all dismiss it?
    note the constant theme of asianmaster being the ultimatum (despite that aikido clearly mentioned the hint of 11 letters AND noted it could be dna2 also) and of paranoia and mistrust. why? all of us have stated that at best, aikido is telling the truth and we should go to him, or at worst, we should exercise caution. heck, even aikido told us we should be exercising caution.

    what you said was beyond caution: it was paranoia. in conclusion, i could only feel that you were trying to place mistrust within roled townies so that they wouldn't be rallied under aikido in time. right now, i suspect you even more than quiraikotsu. even though her arguments also had logical flaws, she was known to be a bit... scatterbrained ? while you do not have the same excuse.

    i welcome any counter arguments or additions.

    edit: geez, i really need to study today. exam is tomorrow morning, so might not be able to post much. i'll try to pass by now and then
    edit2: btw, non-roled townies, we need to get together. our roled townies are either dead (aikido and who knows who else) or inactive (pretty much everyone else). i need people to be more active and give some feedback, so that we could take a rational vote together.
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    So I'm going to be lynched after DNA or BEFORE?
    Why... that 'slip of tongue' was a damned mistake.
    Flash had already pointed out before that I tended to act like this in the past games.
    If you look back on them you can tell I died pretty quickly. I'm not exactly smart like Aikido or anything (even though he got himself killed by the third day...) <--- we've basically lost our chances of surviving. idiot guardian.
    And also if part of the reason to accuse me is the aggression that's apparantly 'wolf-like' then well er... sorry.
    I tend to just behave like that when I'm being threatened.
    And I really am bad at wording my sentances.
    Really.
    I've been going round in circles haven't I....
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    OH p.s. didn't the seer or someone get told that the definate person in the mafia was MALE?
    Go after the blummin males first then >:[

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    I'm voting for El gus, cause he said he is a mafia in day one.

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    @spurgu: calm down. we can't just keep voting anyone anounimously. we should focus on what Aikido left with us at the moment.

    if we vote indiscriminately we'll be helping the mafias.

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    well. Fu*k. Really. anyway, It's up to the seers now.If aikido told them anything(assuming he found out anything before he was killed) they might have enough to go on....or at least now who each other are.
    I'm going to assume the guardian is dead at the moment. I'd like to think no one would be that silly.

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    @Echo, it's paranoia at it's best I guess you could say. Or maybe worst?
    Well I might have gone a little over-dramatic, but you're accusing me.

    And yeah I guess I did put myself directly against Aikido. Well I mistrusted him, I sincerely thought he was playing a mind game with us. Remember, I thought Asian was innocent for awhile.

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    Yeah, it's very worrying if the guardian was dead - but speaking as someone who tends to be paranoid, why couldn't they just have not trusted Aikido? All we had to go on at the time was Aikido's word, and... well, I know I'm not the only one who was just a little suspicious.

    Besides that, are any of us forgetting that the hitman could be used one round BEFORE the watchman could do anything again? No matter what the guardian did, assuming the guardian would be alive then, or is alive now, Aikido would have died before being of use.

    Now, I don't really know what the guardian is thinking either, but I'm really not hoping s/he is stupid either. I mean, we can't be sure, but I'll hope too. I spent time thinking about why that would happen and there appear to be good reasons to me.

    ...So why isn't anyone voting yet? If it wasn't Asian, and it isn't Mojo, it must be DNA. Riiiiiiiight? *prods everyone*
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    See, I wasn't the only one that was suspiscious. I was just more vocal about it, and I guess it somehow sounded like I was directly against Aikido. And on some of those quotes, they were more of giving a scenario where the mafia is playing a mind game on us and urging extreme caution, to not just blindly follow Aikido's word, and to watch out incase this was a mind game.
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