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    Convoy isn't holding though.Convoy isn't holding or attacking, it's just landing a group of troops. So it was basically 3 Italian fleets against 2 French Fleets and 1 French transport Fleet.
    You can't do two things at once, you cannot hold and convoy at the same time. Besides, the convoy fleet is already in Tuscany, how can it move and then come back in one turn? Thats like me attacking NA with 1-2 fleets and then moving it to Gascony or such.

    And yeah I already agreed with Turkey about taking Italian lands since it narrows the the front that Italia has to be fighting,plus it begins the transaction of who fights mainly who.

    and athe thing with Russia, Turkish army from Livonia and Turkish Moscow both hit St. Petersburg. ST. Petersburg was not supported. So it was 2 Turkish armies vs 1 Russian army. Russia got Livonia, but they should have lost St. Petersburg from the fact that neither Sweden nor Prussia was supporting St. Petersburg disengage the Turks, so Turkey should have St. Petersburg, Russia has a unit in Livonia but Turkey should have St.Petersburg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    And yeah I already agreed with Turkey about taking Italian lands since it narrows the the front that Italia has to be fighting,plus it begins the transaction of who fights mainly who.
    front?

    more like your back where we cant attack

    it would be like us giving russia brest, edinbough and london because we fear turkey would attack it


    transaction who mainly fights?

    jus say it, youre surrendering to them


    What does Convoy do
    It gives your movement so that a army can move twice
    Also since it gives an army a Fleet movement it can move on water

    If the convoy has given up its movement then how can you consider it moved
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    Vienna is right infront of a French force, had to take in the possibility that you would aim for it instead of heading for the fortified Venzia.
    And yes, were surrendering a bigger portion of the battlefield to them.
    How we consider it moved, when the fleet goes to the same province as the army in one turn, then convoys it the next turn, that fits in place with the movements of all other units, being 1 move for each unit. Fleets should not have the ability to move twice in one turn, even if it is a convoy, otherwise, why can't normal fleets move 2 times in one turn?
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    convoying is not giving up your movement so the army can move twice.

    convoying is moving while transporting the army across the sea to another coast in the same body of sea. Therefore it can't hold and convoy at the same time.
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    Okay, numbers analysis...

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks View Post
    Russia:

    prussia => attacks => livonia
    st petersbourg => supports => prussia attacking livonia
    sweden => supports => prussia attacking Livonia
    Prussia attacks Livonia. St. Petersburg does NOT move. This is three against Livonia.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    Turkey:

    4. A. Livonia => Attack => St. Petersburg
    **cpr: removed. Russia = 3. (Prusia, Sweden, Saint Peter) Turkey = 2 (Moscow, Livonia.).
    5. A. Moscow => Support => Livonia into St. Petersburg
    6. A. Warsaw => attack => Prussia
    Turkey attacks St. Peterburg with two. St. Petersburg only has one unit in it.

    Okay, so let's look at this the way I think coolpuprocks probably did...being attacked by a larger force probably interferes with whatever order has been issued to a unit, unless that unit was already moving away from the attacker. So then, Livonia is interrupted from attacking St. Petersburg, and St. Petersburg is interrupted from supporting the attack on Livonia. So, ignoring those two:

    Russia:

    Prussia => attacks => Livonia
    Sweden => supports => Prussia attacking Livonia

    Turkey:

    5. A. Moscow => Support => Livonia into St. Petersburg

    ...it's one on one at St. Peterburg. It holds. It's still two on one for Livonia, so it's dead and gone. If you're going to say, "by your logic Prussia should be interfered with due to Warsaw attacking," the trick is that Prussia is the unit moving into Livonia. So it's not there.

    How does it feel to lose your first unit, Turkey?


    I feel for you CPR. It was hard to try to figure that out.

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    Actually from how I can see it is.
    Prussia attacks to Livonia, Turkish army attacks St.Petersburg at the same time. Turkish Livonia isn't interupted because Livonia isn't the one supporting, Moscow is. These units are moving at the same time. You can't have it where it's just russia being moved and not Turkey at the same time.

    It's like this:
    A=Turkish Army
    B=Russian Army
    C=Livonia
    D=St. Petersburg
    A is moving to D while B is moving to C
    Basically, A would be gone from C when B completely conquers it. So A basically slips away in the nick of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom View Post
    Okay, numbers analysis...


    Prussia attacks to Livonia. St. Petersburg does NOT move. This is three against Livonia.
    I'd have agree if I move to Prussia or Livonia, but I flee/move to St.petersburg with 2 power and St.petersburg doesn't have any support


    Quote Originally Posted by kaom View Post
    Turkey attacks St. Peterburg with two. St. Petersburg only has one unit in it.

    Okay, so let's look at this the way I think coolpuprocks probably did...being attacked by a larger force probably interferes with whatever order has been issued to a unit, unless that unit was already moving away from the attacker. So then, Livonia is interrupted from attacking St. Petersburg, and St. Petersburg is interrupted from supporting the attack on Livonia. So, ignoring those two:

    Russia:

    Prussia => attacks => Livonia
    Sweden => supports => Prussia attacking Livonia

    Turkey:

    5. A. Moscow => Support => Livonia into St. Petersburg

    ...it's one on one at St. Peterburg. It holds. It's still two on one for Livonia, so it's dead and gone. If you're going to say, "by your logic Prussia should be interfered with due to Warsaw attacking," the trick is that Prussia is the unit moving into Livonia. So it's not there.

    How does it feel to lose your first unit, Turkey?


    I feel for you CPR. It was hard to try to figure that out.
    Well the way I see it, it is not one to one, it is still 2 to 1, CPR told herself and others before long time ago. that you can only cut the support (Turkish in moscow) and not the attacker (Turkish in Livonia) and since Livonia didn't attack Moscow, the attack to st.petersburg with 2 power against 1 (Russian) succeed.

    and we haven't lose a unit yet.
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    But Livonia is being attacked by a larger force, and trying to move into an occupied place...Prussia is only being attacked by one unit, so that would have bounced anyway...I'm not sure, actually, the numbers are the only difference I see. That and Livonia is trying to move into a spot that is attacking it, Warsaw is moving into a spot a unit is vacating, Prussia is moving into a spot that's trying to move, and Moscow is trying to move into a spot that's supporting another spot. I'm not sure if that makes a difference, either.

    ...I think I'm just going to hand this job back to coolpuprocks now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom View Post
    But Livonia is being attacked by a larger force, and trying to move into an occupied place...Prussia is only being attacked by one unit, so that would have bounced anyway...I'm not sure, actually, the numbers are the only difference I see. That and Livonia is trying to move into a spot that is attacking it, Warsaw is moving into a spot a unit is vacating, Prussia is moving into a spot that's trying to move, and Moscow is trying to move into a spot that's supporting another spot. I'm not sure if that makes a difference, either.

    ...I think I'm just going to hand this job back to coolpuprocks now.
    Yeah that was pretty confusing but the logic doesn't work here. Because then Russian Prussia is stopped by Warsaw's attack. I think it was jsut a little messup by cpr, I'm guessing she has outside factors that require more attention then this and this causes her to messup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom View Post
    But Livonia is being attacked by a larger force, and trying to move into an occupied place...Prussia is only being attacked by one unit, so that would have bounced anyway...I'm not sure, actually, the numbers are the only difference I see. That and Livonia is trying to move into a spot that is attacking it, Warsaw is moving into a spot a unit is vacating, Prussia is moving into a spot that's trying to move, and Moscow is trying to move into a spot that's supporting another spot. I'm not sure if that makes a difference, either.

    ...I think I'm just going to hand this job back to coolpuprocks now.
    Well it is true Livonia is attacked by a larger force, but we didn't defend it.and moscow is not trying to move into a spot St.petersburg, it is supporting the army in livonia to St. petersburg and since we have 2 power the army in st.petersburg is disloged.

    and russian in Prussia is not interrupted by the Turkish army in Warsaw, because they move to Livonia.
    Last edited by flash; 11-21-2006 at 02:25 PM.

 

 
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