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    I don't think there is an official stance on this, obviously being proactive would be ideal but its not always neccesarry (my sections tend to be pretty quiet and well behaved, yet a section like naruto probably needs constant attention), us mods also have other responsibilities (don't forget some are students). I tend to take a proactive stance on FE and MSN sections, but a reactive stance on AirGear section, all three sections are relitively self moderating (although they don't have many problems to begin with), but I read FE and MSN and tend to be more active in those sections.

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    I rather speak openly than pm some mod and don't get the public reaction I prefer.

    We already had this discussion before. It was agreed that other mods (not only martyr) abuse their powers, regarding the lack of attendance, spamming in threads, insulting members (not only in a sig...) and patronize older members over new ones if it's breaking the rules (even slightly).

    I still remember this little incident very well: a YU-GI-OH SECTION
    And I really wonder why this didn't have any consequences.

    I agree that mods that don't take their job seriously anymore, should be demodded now and other community builders who really care about ST should profit.

    My two cents about the current situation...

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    Exactly who do you think doesn't take their job seriously? Community Builder is a posting rank, exactly the same as your "Regular" rank. It has no value whatsoever in determining who cares about this site or would be best at supervising it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Exactly who do you think doesn't take their job seriously? Community Builder is a posting rank, exactly the same as your "Regular" rank. It has no value whatsoever in determining who cares about this site or would be best at supervising it.
    Actually I disagree with this SD. I think Community Builder is one of way determining someone's commitment to the site. Mods by necessity must be active. High post count is one measure of activity. It's not the end-all be-all to be sure, but I, at least, am not so quick to discount it entirely.

    @pulp: Who do you think should be a mod that currently is not? I think the mods we have here are, generally speaking, well-intentioned and do a good job. Obviously, there will be the occasional exception.

    Also, by "patronize older members over new ones" do you mean favor? If so, I think this is actually all well and good. Mods are chosen from amongst the active and committed members of this site. Just because they are mods doesn't make them any better than their peers who have shown similar commitment. In my opinion, well-respected members should be allowed the occasional slip. Older members tend to be well-respected.

    For example, if I (who I take to qualify as an older member) do something that is against the rules, someone like abaile (who I'll use as an example because you called him out above) would probably take the time to PM me. Let me know he deleted my post for this or that reason. We've been posting here together for a long while and I would be offended if he didn't approach me first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikido View Post
    Actually I disagree with this SD. I think Community Builder is one of way determining someone's commitment to the site. Mods by necessity must be active. High post count is one measure of activity. It's not the end-all be-all to be sure, but I, at least, am not so quick to discount it entirely.
    Kazechrno, Hellcreator, Hisoka? All (were) great mods, none are CB. IIRC most mods weren't CB when they were promoted. I think of the current mods, only me, Shautieh and DE were CB when we were promoted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Kazechrno, Hellcreator, Hisoka? All (were) great mods, none are CB. IIRC most mods weren't CB when they were promoted. I think of the current mods, only me, Shautieh and DE were CB when we were promoted.
    Umm, back then almost NOBODY qualified for CB rank. They were active members from a while back and did, in fact, have a high post count compared to the average regular. Plus, when they were instated ST was a much different (and smaller) community.

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    Who? Me DE and Shautieh, or Kaze, Hell and Hiso. Because the latter 3 always had low post counts.


    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
    I raise a toast to the the souls that sang all along. I've been gathering friends to just to make some sounds,
    before the ship goes down, I've been making amends by making the rounds before the whole world ends


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Who? Me DE and Shautieh, or Kaze, Hell and Hiso. Because the latter 3 always had low post counts.
    Not you, de, or shau. You guys have ridic post counts. =)

    For one, kaze's post count was not low. Hell's wasn't so low either (certainly not when he was really active. There was a long period where he, and I think kaze too, were mods but weren't active). Hisoka's was low, in that I agree. But I do think the situation was different back then (when they were made mods, I mean). The forum's weren't that big. Anyway, as I already mentioned, I think post count is only an indication, not a sure-fire marker.

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    Two things:

    1) Have any of us abused or misused our powers after the Martyr incident? That's what all those threads Kane posted were for. We've agreed to let the past go and focus on fixing the future. As far as I know, no one has been behaving badly since that time, and that is what you should be focusing on.

    2) I have yet to receive any complaints about the forums. Either prove to us mods that we're doing a bad job by pointing out things we need to fix, or stop complaining.

    For the record, all of you should remember that asking to become a mod will guarantee you never become one. I hope those of you asking for new mods have that in mind and aren't hoping that you'll get a promotion from Kane for pointing out how 'bad' we are.

    Anyway, post count is one sign that someone may be contributing to a community, but just because someone has the rank doesn't mean they're people who really care about ST and have been good members. Likewise, just because someone does care and is a 'community builder' doesn't mean that they'll be a good mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzcity View Post
    Slightly off-tangent, it seems to me that the underlying issue behind this is the different expectations of what a mod should be doing. Should they be proactive (i.e. actively patrol all of their forums, spot any problems, and immediately deal with the issue before any regulars spot it), or reactive (i.e. let the members self-regulate, and wait until a report or a complaint comes in before using their powers on behalf of that person)?

    I think Henchy expects the Naruto forum mods to be proactive ("constantly work to improve your forum"), but it seems to me that the custom practiced among the StopTazmo mods is reactive instead ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it"). I'm not saying either one is wrong, but I thought it might be good to clarify the issue. Is there actually an official stance on this? Or is it really up to the individual mod's style?

    -Dizzy-
    Dear Dizzy,

    That's a pretty good observation. For the majority, moderators tries their best to take a proactive stance on situations. The most obvious cases are those spam bots which are instantly banned (hardly ever does a regular member needs to report them since within 24 hours a spam bot is usually booted out.) We do work (believe it or not). In CC alone, here are the stats of this year's work so far:

    individual deleted posts from threads not locked/deleted: 113
    deleted threads: 17
    moved threads: 5
    locked threads: 37

    Granted, a lot of the forum is self-moderated by active members which is very convenient for the moderators and makes our lives easier.

    Each moderator has their own style, where some are more unforgiving then others. However, all moderators and administrators can easily be contacted via pm (we all keep it open for business), which is the method I prefer to be reached.

    Word. I hope that clarifies stuff.
    -coolpuprocks

 

 
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