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    jasonred79 is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Default Oujo vs Seibu (and why it won't happen)

    Current Oujo vs Current Seibu...

    Well I think it'd be an extreme mismatch currently.

    Oujo's line is FAR superior.

    Shin > Riku, AFAIK.

    MAJOR problem for Seibu is that I don't think Tetsuma can do his "Iron Locomotive" trick to SHIN. I mean, he bounces nearly everyone away, but I DON'T THINK THE TRIDENT TACKLE WILL JUST BOUNCE OFF HIM. ... Right?

    Conversely, Seibu has no one who can even come close to stopping the Everest Pass, currently. Well, if Tetsuma played defence too I guess he could bump either of the 2 "mountains" right out of the field... lol.

    I suppose the shotgun pass might work. Sort of.

    So, in total, Oujo vs Seibu will never happen again. It's just too one sided, total massacre.

    Conversely, I wouldn't mind having Shinryuji Nagas vs Oujo. Or vs Seibu. heh. Shin vs 0.12 second pass and Quickdraw Reactions vs Godspeed Impulse... NICE.

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    magnaku is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    there are certain flaws with what you said:

    for starters, the "Iron Locomotive" is not a trick... is called power.... Tetsume determination (and preparation) caused him to be one of the best receivers... to say that "everything bounces away" its a disgrace to his actual ability...

    Also, the purpose of the shotgun is not to pass it to Tetsuma, but to have an array of receivers, and Shin cant stop them all (like we saw in the last game)...

    With respect to Riku, yes, Shin surpassed Riku, but that was because Tetsuma was out of the game, and he constantly had to run... in a different situation, Seibu would have used a series of passes and runs, and honestly, Shin cant be everywhere....

    I mention Shin so much because most of the players are either not mentioned, or simply do not partake in this power struggle....

    I'm not saying that you are wrong... because at this point, Seibu is a team of the past... and probably will lose to the dinosaur team (forgot name).... but your reasons are a bit flawed

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    also i dont think seibu will beat the dinosaurs. if you think that one guy was barely held of by the taiyo line and even said that this was the first qb without broken bones think of this. seibu has a weaker line for the shotgun making it an easy blast to the qb for him and if the kid gets anything broken thats about it for them. the kid and tetsuma combo is the only real thing that holds them together besides just a typical throwing game. just my 2 cents.
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    We don't know that for sure I mean although Riku is now inferior to Sena and Shin that doesn't mean Tetsuma and Kid can't be Sakuraba and Takami.

    Seibu is one of my favorite teams and I've always been angry that they had to lose their matches against Ojou. Which they easily could've if Tetsuma had been on the team.

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    Seibu will fail miserably.
    First the advantages of Seibu:Even if Oujou has the edge at the line, Kid can throw his pass so fast that Oujou's rush isn't a problem and he also knows that Testuma will always run his pass route. If Shin decides to guard Testuma, Seibu can choose to complete passes to other players and maybe do HB draws with Riku and also Riku can catch.
    Advantages of Oujou: The line. The line will overwhelm Seibu. Even if Kid can get passes off before he gets sacked, the time he will have to throw and the time that recievers need to run their routes will be incredible short due to the pressure from the line. The secondary. Honestly, the Tokyo top 11 defense was all filled with seibu secondary. Seibu WRs will have problems going against Oujou's secondary. That leaves only Testuma as a legit catcher. But Shin can guard Testuma most likely. I think their powers are equal and Shin doesn't lose out in determination. I think Seibu will occasionally get run breaks from Riku but in the end, Oujou will make several defensive stops. Seibu's defense has no chance to block oujou's revamped offense. Both shin and sakuraba will put up points in every single possession.

    In the end, Oujou will be the winner by 3 or 4 touchdowns or maybe even more.
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    @jasonred79:I think that you got wrong reasons.that match won't happen because:
    1.(I hope and it has to)deimon will beat oujo
    2.Seibu will lose to hakushu
    what makes me think about this is that sena hasn't meet the real eyeshield21 and it'll be likely from hakushu(maybe that maruko<marco>)

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    i thought the real es21 was on the spiders team.
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    Hmm... Tetsuma and Shin's power is equal? Errr... that is a VERY big factor for me. I mean, Shin is about the only player who can currently lift up Kurita. I'm pretty sure that Tetsuma can't outpower Shin, the question is whether Shin can take down Tetsuma. When I say "bounces off" it's because Monta got in a pretty much textbook/ perfect "heartbreak" tackle in on Tetsuma and it didn't even make him flinch. Tetsuma didn't use any special techniques or skills, he just ignored it. Now the question is, WOULD THAT WORK ON SHIN? You think that sort of defence ie the "i am invulnerable, i can take whatever you throw at me" is going to work on the Trident Tackle?

    And to be honest I think Ootawara can block Tetsuma. Since Ootawara evidently has gotten a lot faster than Kurita. Leaving Shin vs Riku. Not good. Basically if the Iron Locomotive is nullified and so is Riku, they have to rely on Siebu receivers beating Oujou's defence. (I don't think they can stop Kid from passing).

    On the other hand, how is Seibu going to stop Oujou's offence? At all? Against the Everest pass and Shin's run, they got NOTHING. not to mention that Oujou has the superior line for burte force pushing for a down.

    Hakusho actually have a decent chance against the dinosaurs' power, unless they get a fast runner or something. I don't see anyone so far on dinos that can stop Riku. Tetsuma might be rendered useless here though. Again, I point out that Tetsuma's receiving abilitiy lies 100&#37; in power and his ignoring whatever comes at him. Which might not be very smart against the dinos, who'd probably be able to break even HIS bones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3955elits View Post
    @jasonred79:I think that you got wrong reasons.that match won't happen because:
    1.(I hope and it has to)deimon will beat oujo
    2.Seibu will lose to hakushu
    what makes me think about this is that sena hasn't meet the real eyeshield21 and it'll be likely from hakushu(maybe that maruko<marco>)
    Sena HAS already met e real eyeshield 21, he's on the Bando Spiders team, and after Sena defeated him the Real ES21 gave Sena his blue helmet visor as proof that Sena is now the real ES21.

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    Akaba was the MVP. He isn't the real ES21. Even after the match in the sauna when Sena talked to Kakei (Poseidon), he told them that although Akaba was good, his power was different from the man he met in middle school that came from Notre Dame.
    Last edited by JC123; 05-13-2007 at 09:09 AM.

 

 

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