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    kevua is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Actually, I don't think any Football player can run 4.2 or even 4.3 in a game. As for the real identity of Eyeshield 21. There are lots and lots of eyeshield 21's. As said in the manga it is a name given to the Best Runningback. Therefore it was really all a misunderstanding on the guys part thinking that one guy was the only eyeshield 21. As for who that guy was I think we will have to wait for the christmas bowl for that when they play the other team. As for who that other team is going to be, I don't think anyone knows the answer to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burp154 View Post
    It would be impossible in real life to run like Sena since not all teams have a good line and the line decides if a runningback is going to run good or not
    An elite runningback can run even with a crap line, they work the corners and the cutback lanes - See LaDainian Tomlinson in 2003.

    Quote Originally Posted by kevua View Post
    Actually, I don't think any Football player can run 4.2 or even 4.3 in a game. As for the real identity of Eyeshield 21. There are lots and lots of eyeshield 21's. As said in the manga it is a name given to the Best Runningback. Therefore it was really all a misunderstanding on the guys part thinking that one guy was the only eyeshield 21. As for who that guy was I think we will have to wait for the christmas bowl for that when they play the other team. As for who that other team is going to be, I don't think anyone knows the answer to that.

    4.2 in a game? I doubt it. 4.3? Yes.

    But it's not about the 40 yard dash time more than their running speed with pads on. Some players like Michael Bennet and Joey Galloway are blazingly fast without pads but can't keep up that speed playing with pads on. Reggie Bush, DeAngelo Hall, Willis McGahee, LaDainian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk in his glory days, and Barry Sanders all can run at their optimum speed during games due to their running styles. Bush, Sanders, and Hall especially since they are masters at a track sprinting style called rotary running. As for eyeshield 21, the manga implies that it's The eyeshield 21 - meaning there is only one.
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    Prince of Football 21 is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    I think the O-Line is underrated sometimes and also believe that a good one is essential to any good offense unless said offense has Kid who can throw the ball in like 0.15 seconds or a light-speed back like Sena who can't be caught whether there's blocks for him or not. But in any case, there problably is no real football player that can run at the speed of light in a real game. But, LaDainian Tomlinson sounds like what the the "real" Eyeshield 21 would be like. LT can do everything, run, catch, throw TDs for God's sake (all things Sena has done). He's the perfect running back. Not to mention he's in a kick-ass commercial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d.A. View Post
    Actually a 4.2 time on the 40 yard dash is the equivalent of a long distance runner running a mile in four minutes flat. It was believed for a long time that no one could run a 4 minute mile – same for the 4.2 in the 40 yard dash which still hasn’t been broken officially. Rather than using the number because someone accomplished a 4.2, I'm sure the author used it as a reference number. For the lack of a better term; it’s a “magic goal” that athletes strive to accomplish - like scoring 100 points in a basketball game or pitching the perfect game in baseball or getting perfect 10s in gymnastics or ice skating.
    You do know that someone is running at their maximum speed to get that 4.2, and it is impossible for the human body to run at maximum speed for a mile, right? I see a lot of other things wrong with your post, and think that many of your calculations are skewed.

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    Of course. If you read that sentence in context with the paragraph it states that by equivalent, I mean in difficulty - not actually physical top speed running for four minutes. Both the 4.2 and the four minute mile were for a long time thought to be impossible hence why they are alike; a usual goal an amatuer long distance runner is to break a four minute mile and the equivalent of the 4.2 has become the number to break in the sprinting world. Sprinting and long distance runnning require different stride techniques and stamina issues, there is no way you can compare the two physically but they are both sports that have set thier bars high - hence the point of that paragraph you quoted me saying.

    Other things? Point them out and I will easily explain.

    The calculations are very basic for the lack of people that know calculus on these forums, but if you explain why you think they are skewed I can rebut why they are like that as well.
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    For one thing, 60 yards = 54.864 meters, not 36.576 meters.
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    Yea, but where does it say that?

    I said 40 yards = 36.576 meters.

    Edit: Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, that's supposed to be 40 yards not 60. I'll fix that typo.

    The rest of that calculation follows it as 40 yards. I'm suprised no one saw that earlier.

    Any other discrepancies I can sort out?
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    wow... you guys suck and prolly dont watch too much football. The fastest football player in the NFL is The Atlanta Falcons' Michael Vick who runs a 4.0 flat in the 40-yard dash. Now please, shut the hell up.

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    You need to shut up.

    Michael Vick admits he gets beat consistantly by DeAngelo Hall on team sprint practices.

    You should watch some football. You know, that game where people run around hitting each other with pads and helmets on - you might just learn something.

    Look at my various other posts within the various discussions involving real football. Back up your talk of "watching too much football" before you go off spouting your crap.

    Michael Vick is a coaches nightmare for his ability to both run and throw the ball. Yes, he can throw the ball. He is very agile and has elite body control that helps him at turning on a dime and juking out defenders. He has the best acceleration, turning ability, agility, and arguably body control on his team, however he isn't even the fastest on his team in a straight sprint - much less the whole NFL.

    My stance is still the same on the 40 yard dash times, I'm still waiting for someone to show me proof that someone ran a true 40-yard dash or explain with a valid argument why I should change my stance.
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    Well, I guess if you can't trust 3rd person recounts of the recorded times then you'd had best make a first person investigation and time them yourself. Of course that would be a little difficult so lets just wait for "Mythbusters" to get on the case? But just don't cry conspiracy in case the times are proven valid. Nor will I be anymore indifferent if they 'bust' the myth.

    But dam this thread is kinda ruining the E21 thing. I always like that mangas base on real life adds just that amount of creative imagination that that does not overload the manga in the realm of complete unbelievable BS. Now we are discussing that the 'facts' were BS in the first place? =.=.........
    Even if its a myth (the 4.2 sec 40 yard dash) its real enough in the E21 manga universe and all that matters for even those w/o any knowledge in American football, the 4.2 sec thing only really comes off as a measure in the speed prowess of the manga's hero's/villains. If they reported in the news that there was a person with a reaction speed of Agon in the manga I'd take that news with a grain of salt but I'd accept that as a creative element from the mangaka as long as it doesn't sound completely BS. Even half the 'science' from forensic TV shows are BS if someone bothers to compare it with the real thing. But for someone aware that they are watching an entertainment show with 'semi-facts' that only just sounds reasonable to be acceptable its no loss. Hmm, am I getting off topic?

    Real life E21? Well how 'real' do you suggest he/she be? Accurate down to the family name? Or just as a loose title bestowed to the current fastest running back? In the end does it really matter exactly who has the title as long as he has the speed to back it up? And the 4.2 second 40yard dash? Well, as long as it remains just a scale of the calibre between althletes. To dispute the facts within the an entertainment piece just ruins things.

 

 
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