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    Shin-San is offline Member Newbie
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    Default A dream team..

    what is your opinion if there are to be built a dream team?
    for me,

    quarterback-kid
    running back-eyeshield 21, riku
    linemen-kurita, gaou, banba,otowara
    lina backer-shin, agon,kakei
    tight end-akaba, sasaki kotarou
    wide receiver-monta, ikkyu, tetsuma

    bla bla bla.. haha! this would be a team of god..
    Last edited by Shin-San; 10-07-2006 at 10:44 AM.

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    you need 2 running backs(half and full)
    2 more linemen.
    1 more linbacker
    1 more reciever in case use a shotgun 4 reciver set.

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    QB-Marco
    RB-Sena and Panther
    WR-Haruto Sakuraba,Monta,Tetsuma
    TE-Akaba

    Linemen(Defensive and Offensive)-Gaou,Banba,Yamabushi,Otawara,Big Gonzalez

    Linebackers-Shin,Kakei,Rui Habashira
    DB-Ikkyu,Agon,Monta
    S-Riku,Panther
    K/P-Musashi

    KR-Riku
    PR-Sena

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    I'd take the Bando Kicker over Musashi. Besides his Showtalent he also is the better Kicker of those two.

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    QB-Kid/Hiruma
    RB-Sena, Riku and Panther (3 RB for the Wish Bone)
    WR-Monta, Sakuraba, Tetsuma, Watt and Ikkyu (and maybe Agon too)
    TE-Akaba
    Lineman (defense & offense)-Kurita,Gaou,Banba, Otawara, Mizumachi
    Linebackers-Shin, Agon, Kakkei
    Cornerbacks-Ikkyu, the bumping guy from Taiyou
    S-Riku and Panther
    K/P-Musashi/Kotarou

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shai' View Post
    I'd take the Bando Kicker over Musashi. Besides his Showtalent he also is the better Kicker of those two.
    yea but musashi's mohawk is such a plus lol

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    It’s not a necessity to have a fullback. I personally would rather have a second TE or RB for better pass protection.

    Oh well, I was really really bored…

    A dream team will vary depending on what the coach’s philosophy is – my philosophy is that the opposing offense can’t score on you if they are waiting on the sideline. So it emphasizes on moving the chains and taking up most of the time of possession.

    That said, I would use a max protect spread offense that would alternate having two speedy RBs lined up behind the QB ready to either pick up a pass rusher or run/catch the ball out of the backfield and a situational slot receiver that can run the end-around or throw the WR pass.

    Quarterback: Kid (Seibu) – Until a true west coast offense QB appears, Kid is the obvious choice for a spread offense with his quick release and big arm.
    Real life comparison: Peyton Manning (Colts)
    Wide Receiver 1: Raimon Taro (Daemon) – Not the most physically imposing but throw it up and he will come down with it.
    Real life comparison: Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals)
    Wide Receiver 2: Jo Tetsuma (Seibu) – Your efficient route running reciever that can be counted to spread the field.
    Real life comparision: Torry Holt (Rams)
    Wide Receiver 3: Yoichi Hiruma (Deimon) – An all around player that embodies the triple threat. He can catch the bullet throw or pass during a trick play, and even run the reverse when the opposing defense becomes overly aggressive.
    Real life comparison: Antwaan Randle El (Redskins)
    Halfback1: Sena (Daemon) – Speedy main back that can run, block and catch.
    Real life comparison: LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers)
    Halfback2: Panther Spencer (Nasa) – True west coast back who is devastating in the open field.
    Real life comparison: Brian Westbrook (Eagles)
    Left Tackle: Rikiya Gao (Hakushuu) – The blindside tackle is argueably the most important position in football. Needless to say, the best lineman needs to play this position. Gao is strong and fast.
    Real life Comparison: Levi Jones (Bengals)
    Left Guard: Kengo Mizumachi (Kyuushin) – A quick tall guard who can double team whoever is distruping the line of scrimmage the most.
    Real life comparison: Steve Neal (Patriots)
    Center: Kurita (Daemon) – Consistant and massive, qualities needed to anchor the offensive line.
    Real life comparision: LeCharles Bentley (Browns)
    Right Guard: Big Gonzales (Nasa) – Big but slow. With the left guard providing the speed on the line, Gonzales can focus on run blocking.
    Real life comparison: Larry Allen (49er’s)
    Right Tackle: Makoto Ootawara (Ojo) – The bigger the man, the harder it is to get past them. Can team up with the TE to seal the corner during running plays.
    Real life comparison: Orlando Pace (Rams)
    Tight End: Haruto Sakuraba (Ojo) – A big receiver that can either play tight end or wide receiver and will create mismatches downfield.
    Real life comparision: Antonio Gates (Chargers)

    For the defense, I would go for a cover 2 scheme with an aggressive pass rush and rely on strong safety coverage on the RB on passing downs.

    Left Defensive End: Shun Kakei (Kyuushin) – A natural edge rusher with aggressive moves.
    Real life comparison: Terell Suggs (Ravens)
    Defensive Tackle: Rikiya Gao (Hakushuu) – A space eating undertackle that requires a double/triple team to stop. He will anchor the defensive line and will detour the running back if they try to run up the middle.
    Real life comparison: Casey Hampton (Steelers)
    Defensive Tackle: Mamoru Banba (Taiyo) – The man to lead the penetration into the opposing line. Can bat down passes at the line of scrimmage or contain the run.
    Real life comparison: John Henderson (Jaguars)
    Right Defensive End: Shun Kakei (Kyuushin) – Run support defensive end who will contain the passing game by preventing opposing backs from getting to the outside.
    Real life comparison: Richard Seymour (Patriots)
    Left Outside Linebacker: Akaba Hayato (Bando) – Speedy linelinebacker that can both drop into coverage or shed the lead blocker and bring down the ball runner.
    Real life comparison: Donnie Edwards (Chargers)
    Middle Linebacker: Seijuro Shin (Ojo) – The leader of your defense, and defense wins championships. Not much to explain here.
    Real life comparision: Ray Lewis (Ravens)
    Right Outside Linebacker: Agon Kongo (Shinryuji) – That tenacity and speed would be unstoppable as a pursuit tackler and coverage linebacker.
    Real life comparison: Keith Bulluck (Titans)
    Left Cornerback: Ikkyu Hosakawa (Shinryuji) – Quick shutdown corner that is consistantly good when left in one on one situations.
    Real life comparison: DeAngelo Hall (Falcons)
    Right Cornerback: Panther Spencer (Nasa) – Quick and can be left on an island in the secondary.
    Real life comparison: Champ Bailey (Broncos)
    Free Safety: Yoichi Hiruma (Daemon) – Smart and can adjust to the play, while being athletic enough to match with most base offensive schemes. Will be able to freelance around the secondary.
    Real life comparision: Brian Dawkins (Eagles)
    Strong Safety: Riku Kaitani (Seibu) – Quick roaming safety ready to help out on any play.
    Real life comparison: Adrian Wilson (Cardinals)

    K/P: Koutarou Sasaki (Bando) – There’s not much competition with a “perfect” kicker around.
    Real life comparision: Adam Vinatieri (Colts) for clutch kicking I guess.

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    Kid-Peyton Manning-----They both have great accuracy and can run when needed
    Hiruma-Michael Vick-----Amazingly strong arm and runs effeciently also
    Monta-Steve Smith----They both are short but fly like eagles for the ball.
    Haruto Sakuraba-----Chad Johnson-Tall,AMazing hands and a great route runner.
    Tetsuma-Jeremy Shockey----Good hands,Strong body,Hard to bring down.
    Sena-Reggie Bush----Fast runner,can switch up routes,can recieve also.
    Panther-Eric Dickerson----Tall runner,Runs fluently and uses long legs to their advantages.

    Hiruma-John Lynch----Great coverage player and natural leader
    Shin-Brian Urlacher----Natural leader with hard hitting stops that make RB's cry
    Ikkyu-Darrell Green------Amazing coverage player that has great speed with good hands
    Panther-DeAngelo Hall-----Able to get to the ball and make stops
    Riku + Strong Saftey=BAd choice
    Riku-Ed Reed
    It seems to me that you were talking more about the Pros then the actual players in the manga.
    Lets not just pick the top players in MAdden next time lol.
    And why would you switch up players positions.
    Linebackers playing DL?????
    Looks like you picked their names outta hats and just matched them.
    Last edited by Nishikawa; 10-07-2006 at 07:28 PM. Reason: Forgot about Riku

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa View Post
    LMAO at your comparasions
    Damn most of them are so fucking funny.
    And yes it is a nessacity to have a fullback.
    Every team has one lol
    Please. First of all, a fullback is not a necessity. Plenty of formations don't use them: Singleback, Twin Tight End, 4 Receiver, Empty backfield, Wishbone, and Splitbacks are just some basic formation packages that don't use them. They are by no means necessary. Lead blockers are underrated for a reason; they are only used by run first teams. My favorite player ever is Lorenzo Neal, and yet I admit that. This isn't the NFL, you don't need a fullback.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    First off were going by the manga so Hiruma would only be a reciever for a trick play.And their are much better recievers than hiruma.(Even if you want a trick play)Wow 2 trick plays with the steelers and he's like hiruma.
    Hiruma isn't the best receiver, nor is he a good receiver - I never said that. However for the spread offense I had in mind when arranging the team, trick plays are indeed included, hence why Hiruma is in there. I specifically mentioned situational for a reason. Whether it be an actual trick play or a decoy, he has a position to play in my dream offense based on Eyeshield 21 characters. And so you know: Antwaan has 16 pass attempts in his career and was a converted QB from Indiana - in the situation I place Hiruma in, they are very comparable. Last time I checked, there is a big difference between 2 and 16.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    MOnta-Larry?????
    Monta = Steve Smith...to put it bluntly...No. Steve Smith is a fast receiver that uses agile cuts and elite top speed to get open, Monta has neither. Larry Fitzgerald is similar to Monta in the way that they will catch anything remotely near them despite not being the most agile nor fastest - that's the similarity I allude to. Sure Larry Fitzgerald is much bigger in real life, but he is still just slightly over the NFL average height for a receiver. Within the manga, there aren't a lot of cornerbacks bigger than Monta so that comparison is legit. The best comparison is Brandon Lloyd, but it's not like most people know him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    Sena-LT(CLose but I think sena a little to small)
    Sena to LT - You really have to think of their sizes relatively to the others in the manga. Sena is small but he isn't that small. And it's not like Sena has a running style like other shorties like Warrick Dunn. LT and Clinton Portis are the best comparisons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    Tetsuma and Torry Holt LMAOOOOOOOOOO
    Torry wishes he had enough power to knock a defender over.
    Same goes for tetsuma as he only runs 5.0
    I don't see what’s so funny about the Tetsuna to Torry Holt comparison. They both rely on their greatest strength - route running. Both don't have the other physical attributes that make receivers special, yet both still succeed. Holt doesn't have the top speed or height or natural agility that other elite receivers have. His greatest strength is his consistency due to his impeccable route running. Tetsuna is the same. It's not the best comparison, but it's not by any means inaccurate. Plus it's not like most casual fans know who my first choice comparison Keenan McCardell is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    Panther and Brain westbrook is so fucking hilarious it kills me.
    Panther runs way differently that brian and has a different body type.
    Kills you? Good. I don’t know what you’re watching, but Brian Westbrook has the same running style. He likes to work in the open field - exactly what Panther's specialty is. Personally I think Reggie Bush is the best comparison here but, he is by no means the receiving threat Reggie is. Eric Dickerson? Please, it's even worse when your comparing a shifty speed back to a power back. The best comparison is by far former Raider star Marcus Allen, but again he is hardly a mainstream name to anyone under the age of 25.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    The biggest upset is when you put Sakuraba as a TightEnd.
    Hes a fucking reciever and Antonio wishes he could jump that high.
    Sakuraba is not similar to Antonio Gates? This is where you just killed your argument - Antonio can jump higher than most receivers in the NFL. Gates could have been a decent NBA player but he opted for the NFL. But that’s not the reason I didn't place that comparison. Both Sakuraba and AG use a basketball style receiving style that relies heavily on catching the ball at its highest point. If you haven’t noticed, the Chargers use Antonio Gates as a receiver from the tight end position. I would certainly use Jeremy Shockey as a comparison but one thing - wide receivers are usually horrid run blockers. If Sakuraba was placed at the tight end position (which I did in my version of a dream team), don't expect him to suddenly become elite at run blocking. Antonio Gates is the worst blocking tight end in the league, another reason why that comparison fits. The best comparison would be by far Matt Jones, but he's hardly known outside of Jaguar fans and fantasy football players. Receiving tight ends are very common nowadays. Heck most of them such as Rashad Davis, Chris Cooley, Marquis Colston and Ben Watson are converted from receivers in their early years of college. Go ask Shanon Sharp, Mike Ditka, and Kellen Winslow Sr. about how effective receiving tight ends are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    I might as well finish cause if we talk defense im going to be here for hours.
    Go ahead and finish because your arguments are weak. Heck some of them are just outrageous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    Kid-Peyton Manning-----They both have great accuracy and can run when needed
    Hiruma-Michael Vick-----Amazingly strong arm and runs effeciently also
    Monta-Steve Smith----They both are short but fly like eagles for the ball.
    Haruto Sakuraba-----Chad Johnson-Tall,AMazing hands and a great route runner.
    Tetsuma-Jeremy Shockey----Good hands,Strong body,Hard to bring down.
    Sena-Reggie Bush----Fast runner,can switch up routes,can recieve also.
    Panther-Eric Dickerson----Tall runner,Runs fluently and uses long legs to their advantages.

    Hiruma-John Lynch----Great coverage player and natural leader
    Shin-Brian Urlacher----Natural leader with hard hitting stops that make RB's cry
    Ikkyu-Darrell Green------Amazing coverage player that has great speed with good hands
    Panther-DeAngelo Hall-----Able to get to the ball and make stops
    Riku + Strong Saftey=BAd choice
    Riku-Ed Reed
    And you thought my comparisons were bad...

    Hiruma is comparable to Mike Vick and John Lynch? Uh. No.

    Hiruma doesn't have the running skill to make the whole opposing defense look like a novice Pop Warner team. This one is a definite stretch.

    John Lynch? You got to be kidding me. Lynch, even in his prime, was awful in coverage. All he is good at is hard hitting/sure tackling and motioning the coverage audible. Hiruma is a coverage safety. Hiruma cannot hit hard. Hiruma to him is hardly a comparison.

    Monta to Steve Smith - I already addressed it. Bogus.

    Sakuraba to Chad Johnson? Geez. Chad would take offense to that. Sakuraba is by no means the route runner nor even near as speedy as Chad is. Sakuraba relies on his height to catch balls; Chad doesn't.Try again.

    Panther to Eric Dickerson? This one is a hell no. ED can run in between the tackles and loved contact. His greatest stat is yards after contact; completely unlike Panther's open space running style.

    Riku at SS is a bad choice? Please. If you reread my post, I mentioned that I would use a cover 2 that used safeties as true coverage guys. He fits that perfectly; think of it as having two natural FS instead of a FS and SS combination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishikawa
    It seems to me that you were talking more about the Pros then the actual players in the manga.
    Lets not just pick the top players in MAdden next time lol.
    And why would you switch up players positions.
    Linebackers playing DL?????
    Looks like you picked their names outta hats and just matched them.
    Like I said, I used comparisons that people would actually know while being decently accurate.

    Top players? See reason above.

    Switching positions. Why not? What makes you think you can't switch positions around to fit your scheme or needs? A 3-4 LB is a 4-3 DE. A 3-4 DE is a 4-3 DT. Darnell Bing was a top ranked safety prospect that was converted to an NFL linebacker. Matt Jones is a good college QB who is becoming a great professional WR. Julius Peppers has shown that he can play as a tight end in the NFL. Troy Brown is a WR that played as a CB for the Patriots. College and high school players are switched often. Some Eyeshield 21 players are implied to have super skills and talents – it only makes sense to place them in the best position to make use of those. It's all about the system you place them in. In an aggressive pass rushing defense, speed and edge rushing come at a premium. Just ask the Colt's defense. I placed enough big bodies in my lineup to be able to add in quicker edge guys.

    Picked out of a hat? Maybe I should have, it would have taken me much less time and heck some of them would be more accurate than some of yours.
    Last edited by d.A.; 10-07-2006 at 10:54 PM. Reason: Typos.

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