Originally Posted by Duststorm
He guessed that Light was Kira with absolutely no evidence to suggest that. That alone is impressive. Furthermore, killing Demegawa and his crew at precisely the same time Light would have, not to mention doing the exact same thing as Light when Mello kidnapped Takada...it's clear that he thinks just like Light, which implies that he must be highly intelligent.
We know Mello isn't more intelligent than Light and Near. We know he was second to Near, and we know Near isn't as intelligent as Light.
Originally Posted by Rei-kun
Besides, How To Read 13 explains all of this.
I agree with most people in this thread about Mello. His actions showed him to be brash and unwise. Perhaps he was very intelligent at other things, but in terms of deductive and decision making ability he is outclassed by every other main player in the series.
Essentially, you are saying that L lost becaue he gave away his advantage and left himself vulnerable to Light which you see as unintelligent.
Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
I agree, it was. But what I don't believe you are considering or perhaps are considering at a double standard is that Deathnote is a story. It was made to entertain; it is not realistic. Both Light and L made shocking errors of judgement and as such could have played it out with a lot more wisdom (i.e. like how real detectives and terrorists operate), but then we wouldn't have a story.
You say L could have watched from afar, but couldn't Light have also waited and observed before taking any brash decisions (such as killing Ray Penbar or hacking his dad's computer) then simply continued his normal routine as an invisible entity until the whole world accepted Kira, at which point L would have become the criminal?
At no point did the author make any distinction between who was the more intelligent. The deciding factor in their battle was one of circumstance, not one's superior ability over the other, i.e. it could easily have gone the other way, Light simply lucked out that time. For example, where would Light have been if Misa didn't happen to be a simpleton who became his blindly devoted follower at first sight?
I strongly think that's the conclusion you were meant to draw from it, not that Light was more intelligent just because he won.
mmm. I'd say that Mello is actually petty clever (remember, he was considered as a possible L successor) but he just lets his emotions get the best of him, unlike Near. I don't believe that Mello is more mentally deficient than Near-i'd say he is just as smart, if a bit too irrational.
I would say L and Light was at least on equal standing in terms of intelligence if not Light is more intelligent. Light's mental capacity was very impressive , more than L which contributed a lot into his success. I mean he can calmly think and could get around the situation where L caught misa. and it became definite that Light was kira.
And i would say that L was foolish in the end when he letted Light and Misa out after Higuchi was killed. Since L know it was definite that Misa was the second kira, even though other crew members force him to let them go, it was an unwise decision for him to let Misa and Light go. He could have maybe figured out that the rules of death note arent always true and test them out before letting them go.
But, as written by some guy before (sorry) Light was too lucky to get the full devotion of Misa and already at first sight. And Rem had also supported Misa from the beginning, making light able to get use to both of them. If this were not the case, if L were to stick to his deduction that Light was Kira and doesnt let his guard down, then he would have won. Thats why i think they're on equal standing.
The hell if L was less intelligent than Light. The only reason that Light was able to "beat" L was because, one: He was immoral, and could manipulate others with an ease that L's morality prevented him from doing, and two: Light had a perfect understanding of the "wild-card", the Death Note, whereas L had to do a lot of his investigation on guesswork. Hence his constant use of probabilities.
And in the case of superior resources, for the most part of the series, all of the resources which L had access to, Light also had access to. L was the best. I'd rank the five:
Mikami (No idea why he's here. The guy was frothing by the end, and not much better before.)
Jesus fucking Christ, not again!
Originally Posted by Baron_Fowling
I'm guessing from that comment that I should have read the second page of this topic, rather than rushing to post in a huff.
For the most part, i would agree with cooler immortal..
But Baron Fowling has a point, Which should further prove that L and Light(screw that name, i'll call him Raito), were equally intelligent.
The point is that while Raito had knowledge of the deathbook, L had none at all. He had to make assumptions that Kira could kill simply by looking at his victim, and it wasn't till almost the very end that L got information on what was the weapon of death and how it worked.
Now, taking this into mind, L had to rearrange his ENTIRE way of thinking about Kira everytime he got some information on the deathnote. When he first thought that he could kill by looking, he "challenged" Raito in the schoolyard or wherever it was, and after he found out nothing happened, he had to either assume Kira couldnt kill by looking at the victim(this taking in mind that he suspected Raito), or that Raito wasn't the one, in which case he would have to rearrange his entire investigation, to a point where he would have nothing...
From Raito's point of view, to balance things out, we have him living his double-life, maintaining high grades, remaining emotionless(i think he had atleast a shred of empathy before touching the deathnote), worrying about getting caught, and worrying about how to manage Misa, and how to bring L down.
During the ending L and Raito part of Deathnote, Raito had the general advantage, not in intelligence, but in resources. Rem and Misa. Raito also had one HUGE advantage through the whole arc.. L's morality.
L suspected Raito VERY early, and everything in him told him that Raito was Kira, and Raito knew this, but L calculated the evidence, and thats how he got those rediculous low percentage chances for Raito to be Kira. L needed Stoneproof evidence, not just gut feeling, to prove that Raito was Kira.
I don't think that you could put the main characters up against eachother intellectually..
Raito had an incredible abillity to think forward, and to manipulate his surroundings.
L had an amazing talent for mathematical probabillity and making assumptions based on few facts and evidence, and an amazing abillity to read Raito's actions.
Near.... He's just like L, only he had the knowledge that L didnt have about the deathnote very early.. Although he has some of Raito's traits when it comes to careful planning(traits which seem to be a counter to Raito's own planning, and reckless fuckups, as when he gave himself off in the building in the end)
Mello stands out, Having a combination of Raito's planning ahead(when he decided that he had to let himself die, to reveal Raito.. That was crazy), and a quick abillity to assume what's best for the current situation, quick thoughts, almost impulsive like.
Forgive me if my facts arent correct but its been a long time since i've read the manga..
I'm sorry are you mentally retarded? How can you put Light below Mello and Near?
Originally Posted by Baron_Fowling
He found out both their names and faces and if not for Mikami's stupidity would have killed them both. I would say Light and L are about equal, with it swinging either way depending on the time in the show.
No need for any below that