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    I just finished Death Note and must say that I'm completely unsatisfied. Please bear with me as I write this wall of text. I'm sure this has been talked about before but I'd like to share what I have to say. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I believe solely that Death Note’s ending could not have possibly been worse.

    First off, I’ll address how blaringly obvious Light’s defeat was. Starting from Near and Mello’s introduction, it could be established that Light would lose in his second challenge. This is because the author included two successors of L, not one, who clearly do not cooperate and hinted on their power if they cooperated. With a little logic and reasoning, one would deduce that the author designed it so that when the two work together they would win. After all the endless chapters in Near’s arc of “I know your plan” and speculations of nothingness, suddenly Mello pops up again and promptly dies afterwards. Obviously, Mello would act sooner or later, but both sides affirm that Mello’s incident did not intrude their plans. Then, what was the point of Mello’s incident? Obviously, Mello’s action would help achieve Near’s victory. The most disappointing cliché of the obvious ending is Light’s downright overconfidence of his definite victory. This work was made to be speculative and that one would not know who would win, yet to put it simply, it’s so freaking obvious.

    I’ll tell you; I understood that Light would lose when Near and Mello were introduced but did not know to what extent. Unfortunately, that extent is even more disappointing.

    Onto the main point, the saddest fault in the ending is the complete undermining of Light’s character. While competing with L, the author reveals a complex protagonist of rather insane ambitions but complete mental stability. This is the composure of Light, an overly ruthless character of amazing psychological proportion and interest. However, with the ending, Light becomes nothing more than a clichéd psycho maniac who suddenly loses all of the psychological consistency he illustrated earlier even when dealing with grueling pressure and intricate thinking such as formulating how to defeat L and save Misa and himself. For those who argue that it’s natural for Light to break down like he did at the end, there’s far more than enough proof to say Light’s mental stability is nearly infinite or even godlike and that his tantrums are nothing more than letting off pressure. He had a tantrum when Lind L. Taylor broadcasted that message, however, he definitely did not panic. The next unsatisfactory character error would be Light’s sudden fear of death. Light does not fear death. He not only discarded Ryuk’s terrors and clarifications that would normally break an ordinary human’s mentality, but he also accepted that he would die by accepting to exploit the Death Note and by Ryuk’s provocation of his death. It’s nearly unbearable to see complexity turn into simplicity within a matter of pages, thanks to the author.

    The next argument is the numerous intellectual holes portrayed by Light’s side and the insufficient amount of precautions taken. The foremost would be Makami’s failure to both follow orders and take into account he knows he’s being followed. The former is understandable given Makami’s frequency to act without much permission. The latter, however, does not coincide with Makami’s intellect. He was fully aware he was being followed and recorded carefully, yet he still retrieved the real notebook from the bank. Assuming that he was not being followed is completely unusual of Makami’s intelligence. Another hole is Light’s failure to develop his scenario like he usually does. It is Light’s natural ability that he formulates numerous workarounds in the condition that his scenario fails, most prominently displayed when Light created his scheme for defeating L. He had amounted and considered many possibilities that could happen and proofed as much as he could. Another of Light’s intelligent works would be his intricate considerations for hiding his book or testing if anyone had entered his room, all illustrating his ability to manifest backups. His failure in Near’s battle was completely out of character and illogical in that he only considered and crafted one scenario, discarding all other variables such as Mello and the like. These two major holes amongst others undermine Death Note’s initial capacity to portray intelligence at its finest.

    Other factors of the unsatisfactory ending include the victory of unattractive characters of Near and Mello, Near being the pathetic wannabe of L and Mello being a complete dork, and the overly simplification of investigation in the second half, such as Near immediately suspecting Makami and the immediate creation of a fake Death Note. If even one of the above paragraphs is properly addressed, I would accept the ending. However, with all these mistakes the author makes, this is possibly the worst ending I have ever experienced. I can’t say that I enjoyed the second half of Death Note too much, but I did finish it for the sake of finishing it. For those who accept the official ending, that’s fine but there’s solid proof or reason that the ending failed to achieve most of what the first half of Death Note offered. For me and maybe some others, Death Note officially ended when L died.


    That about wraps up what comes to my head as of now.

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    Perfect.

    You just summed everything up perfectly.

    Great work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodeNightmare View Post
    I believe solely that Death Note’s ending could not have possibly been worse.
    Sure it could've been. They could've ended it right after L's death. That would've been the worst ending of all time.

    After all the endless chapters in Near’s arc of “I know your plan” and speculations of nothingness, suddenly Mello pops up again and promptly dies afterwards. Obviously, Mello would act sooner or later, but both sides affirm that Mello’s incident did not intrude their plans. Then, what was the point of Mello’s incident? Obviously, Mello’s action would help achieve Near’s victory. The most disappointing cliché of the obvious ending is Light’s downright overconfidence of his definite victory. This work was made to be speculative and that one would not know who would win, yet to put it simply, it’s so freaking obvious.
    Mello's action did indeed help Near. And Near does acknowledge that Mello kidnapping Takada was what caused Mikami to break his schedule and head to the bank to write Takada's name into the DN, thereby revealing the true DN. I would say that Mello's character was kinda thrown away, but oh well. And Light was always confident of his plans, so that's not so much a cliche as it is a character trait (or flaw) of Light's.


    Onto the main point, the saddest fault in the ending is the complete undermining of Light’s character. While competing with L, the author reveals a complex protagonist of rather insane ambitions but complete mental stability.
    Complete... mental... stability? LOL

    This is the composure of Light, an overly ruthless character of amazing psychological proportion and interest. However, with the ending, Light becomes nothing more than a clichéd psycho maniac who suddenly loses all of the psychological consistency he illustrated earlier even when dealing with grueling pressure and intricate thinking such as formulating how to defeat L and save Misa and himself.
    Light became a psycho maniac long before the ending. His breakdown is completely warranted. You seem to leave out what brought the breakdown on: Light being revealed as Kira, along with the evidence to back it up. No matter how much 'psychological consistency' you thought Light had, when you lead such an extreme double life like he had, and those worlds collide, do you really expect Light to not have a reaction?



    For those who argue that it’s natural for Light to break down like he did at the end, there’s far more than enough proof to say Light’s mental stability is nearly infinite or even godlike and that his tantrums are nothing more than letting off pressure. He had a tantrum when Lind L. Taylor broadcasted that message, however, he definitely did not panic.
    He didn't panic? Killing Lind. L Taylor was the very definition of a panicky move. You can't have it both ways with the breakdowns, either. You can't say Light is nearly godlike with his mental stability and excuse his temper tantrums as 'letting off pressure'. If Light's mental state is as you say, he never once loses it in the series.

    The next unsatisfactory character error would be Light’s sudden fear of death. Light does not fear death. He not only discarded Ryuk’s terrors and clarifications that would normally break an ordinary human’s mentality, but he also accepted that he would die by accepting to exploit the Death Note and by Ryuk’s provocation of his death. It’s nearly unbearable to see complexity turn into simplicity within a matter of pages, thanks to the author.

    He never disregarded Ryuk's warnings and stuff; knowing what type of person Light is, he basically believed Ryuk would never be in a position to want to write Light's name, meaning Light believed he would keep Ryuk plenty entertained. Accepting the fact that one day you'll die, and having that death come barreling down on you unexpectedly are 2 different things. It would be easier to accept that you will die one day, cause you think it's not gonna happen for a good long time, but to be confronted with your death far sooner than you expected and not be able to do much about it is something quite different, and is most likely to illicit an interesting response, a la Light crying and pathetically begging for his life lol.



    The next argument is the numerous intellectual holes portrayed by Light’s side and the insufficient amount of precautions taken. The foremost would be Makami’s failure to both follow orders and take into account he knows he’s being followed. The former is understandable given Makami’s frequency to act without much permission. The latter, however, does not coincide with Makami’s intellect. He was fully aware he was being followed and recorded carefully, yet he still retrieved the real notebook from the bank. Assuming that he was not being followed is completely unusual of Makami’s intelligence.
    Firstly, I lay the complete blame for Light's warehouse plan going awry on Mikami because of the bank business. Now, Mikami, upon hearing of Takada's capture by Mello, only did what Light would've (in fact, did do) done by getting the DN and writing her name. Mikami knew he was being watched, so what he should've done was take the DN with him. As long as he's casual about it, Near's guys won't grab him or anything. But for Mikami's behavior on the whole I blame Light. Light should've told Mikami explicitly to not deviate from his daily routine or judgements. He should've also said that if anything out of the ordinary happens (like Mello kidnapping Takada), Light himself would take care of it.


    Another hole is Light’s failure to develop his scenario like he usually does. It is Light’s natural ability that he formulates numerous workarounds in the condition that his scenario fails, most prominently displayed when Light created his scheme for defeating L. He had amounted and considered many possibilities that could happen and proofed as much as he could. Another of Light’s intelligent works would be his intricate considerations for hiding his book or testing if anyone had entered his room, all illustrating his ability to manifest backups. His failure in Near’s battle was completely out of character and illogical in that he only considered and crafted one scenario, discarding all other variables such as Mello and the like. These two major holes amongst others undermine Death Note’s initial capacity to portray intelligence at its finest.
    Light is brilliant, no doubt about that. He was clearly on his game and at his best against L, who he believed to be his biggest challenger. And so with his biggest competition gone, Light didnt take anyone else seriously. When Near and Mello show up to challenge Light, he thinks that they'll be fun to toy with, but doesn't take them seriously. That was a mistake. Think of the situation like this: Light's victory over L, the greatest detective alive, left him feeling extremely confident, and complacent in a way. Like a professional sports team that wins a championship and plays poorly the next season, Light lost his hunger. He took himself too seriously and thought himself infallible. Really, I find it hilarious that people can't fathom how Light fucks up so much in the end. He's a human being with a god complex who seriously overestimates his own worth. He was gonna go down sooner and later, and most likely in an embarassing fashion.


    Other factors of the unsatisfactory ending include the victory of unattractive characters of Near and Mello, Near being the pathetic wannabe of L and Mello being a complete dork, and the overly simplification of investigation in the second half, such as Near immediately suspecting Makami and the immediate creation of a fake Death Note.
    ...Near pathetic? WTF. I thought Mello was a fun character, he made things interesting. But Near, he was L's true successor and he was brilliant to boot. If you've ever imagined how a young L would operate/act/look like more or less, you're imagining Near. And I highly doubt that fake Death Note was easily created, nor was it an over simplification of the investigation. Also, Near coming to the conclusion that Mikami was a Kira was pretty much the same way L would've done it. It wouldn't have been that hard. Insult Near, you insult L.


    For me and maybe some others, Death Note officially ended when L died.
    Seriously though, ending the story there would've been the worst ending ever in a manga.

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    Light became a psycho maniac long before the ending. His breakdown is completely warranted. You seem to leave out what brought the breakdown on: Light being revealed as Kira, along with the evidence to back it up. No matter how much 'psychological consistency' you thought Light had, when you lead such an extreme double life like he had, and those worlds collide, do you really expect Light to not have a reaction?
    Those two worlds collided along time ago. When he accepted the Death Note, he accepted that he had to live two lives and therefore accepted that his utmost competence was needed for his plan to succeed. Light has proven to succeed amazing amounts of split-second decisions and long hours of thinking without even hinting he's becoming less stable.

    He didn't panic? Killing Lind. L Taylor was the very definition of a panicky move. You can't have it both ways with the breakdowns, either. You can't say Light is nearly godlike with his mental stability and excuse his temper tantrums as 'letting off pressure'. If Light's mental state is as you say, he never once loses it in the series.
    That's a horrible misconception. Did he honestly think Lind L. Taylor would catch him? No, he was infuriated at the idea he was called evil and couldn't allow L to say such things to the entire world. Panicking is an outbreak of fear. Light was not afraid or anything at that time.

    He never disregarded Ryuk's warnings and stuff; knowing what type of person Light is, he basically believed Ryuk would never be in a position to want to write Light's name, meaning Light believed he would keep Ryuk plenty entertained. Accepting the fact that one day you'll die, and having that death come barreling down on you unexpectedly are 2 different things. It would be easier to accept that you will die one day, cause you think it's not gonna happen for a good long time, but to be confronted with your death far sooner than you expected and not be able to do much about it is something quite different, and is most likely to illicit an interesting response, a la Light crying and pathetically begging for his life lol.
    Interesting? I don't enjoy watching the same "psycho maniac genius fails" cliché nor the "evil dude begs for life" cliché. Putting them together doesn't help.

    Light is brilliant, no doubt about that. He was clearly on his game and at his best against L, who he believed to be his biggest challenger. And so with his biggest competition gone, Light didnt take anyone else seriously. When Near and Mello show up to challenge Light, he thinks that they'll be fun to toy with, but doesn't take them seriously. That was a mistake. Think of the situation like this: Light's victory over L, the greatest detective alive, left him feeling extremely confident, and complacent in a way. Like a professional sports team that wins a championship and plays poorly the next season, Light lost his hunger. He took himself too seriously and thought himself infallible. Really, I find it hilarious that people can't fathom how Light fucks up so much in the end. He's a human being with a god complex who seriously overestimates his own worth. He was gonna go down sooner and later, and most likely in an embarassing fashion.
    If you ever picked up that Light was "overconfident" before the last volume then I must have missed something. When considering how Light acts, you can't just throw him into a pile of "how the majority would act" mentality. He acts with intellectual precision within all his endeavors, namely Ray Penbar and his wife. He didn't win a prize or anything when he beat L; he won his life and the continuation of the Death Note. Light knows better than anyone else that if his plans fail, he dies, so it's not understandable that he does not plan carefully despite being overconfident against his victory of L.


    Just because you don't sympathize with Light and sympathize with Near doesn't make the ending good. L's arc was intricate and rather long while Near's arc seemed like it ended quite quickly with the "Light must die" mentality.

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    Damn God We Should have Thread with Poll and seeing how many people agree that Death Note 2nd half Ending is so suck or Who think is best. So that is way to shut up other people saying that many agree the ending it bad. like Vote Yes or No.

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    To me and some other Fans Agree Death Note officially ended when L died isnt Worst Ending then this one is.

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    Death Note's ending had a lot of holes but at least it was a complete ending. Although I do believe Light's downfall could have been written much better than it is in the manga.

    The BEST ending for me would have been what happened in Death Note Live Action Movie. Now that's what I call a GOOD ending!!


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    And Light was always confident of his plans, so that's not so much a cliche as it is a character trait (or flaw) of Light's.
    Light was always confident, he says it himself while talking to Ryuuk. His plans were so perfectly planned that he doesn't mind any kind of opposition, thus his confidence. Which in fact he knew someone would appear to stop him sooner or later so he prepared everything for that moment that is why L couldn't find him quickly. That's why when L appears before him and tells him, he is L, he laughs like a maniac because he likes what L did. He doens't tremble in fear, he always thought he could win.

    No matter how much 'psychological consistency' you thought Light had, when you lead such an extreme double life like he had, and those worlds collide, do you really expect Light to not have a reaction?
    Don't make me laugh, so when L was interrogating him and he had to answer in a way he doesn't seem dumb or "completly innocent" and a bit like Kira he should've had a breakdown.

    Killing Lind. L Taylor was the very definition of a panicky move.
    He didn't panic. He just felt indignated of what L was saying about him to the world.

    Light throughout the series was always calmed even in the most pressing times. And if you say that L was his biggest competition, why didn't he lose it there, if with small fries like Mello and Near he lost it in seconds. It would've been one of the best if Light had lived and if it had finished with L's death. Later they could've taken out, like what happened to the world after it but like a continuation, but at least that first arc would've still been great. However as it's continuation was lame it pulled down the quality of the other one.

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    Interesting thread to read. The TCs was really well done. I think you would be hard pressed to find somone who thinks the near arc was better than L arc. The L arc was so fantastically amazing, the near arc was a lesser version of that. However I don't think the ending was all that bad.

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    Those two worlds collided along time ago. When he accepted the Death Note, he accepted that he had to live two lives and therefore accepted that his utmost competence was needed for his plan to succeed. Light has proven to succeed amazing amounts of split-second decisions and long hours of thinking without even hinting he's becoming less stable.
    You seem to miss the point. Light Yagami played 2 different roles pretty flawlessly: that of mass murderer Kira, and that of an ace student with great prospects. These were 2 roles that were kept separate from each other. The events of the warehouse brought those 2 worlds crashing into each other. Light was presented to evidence as the true Kira, and these worlds came crashing violently into one another so there was bound to be some type of fallout, like what happened.

    That's a horrible misconception. Did he honestly think Lind L. Taylor would catch him? No, he was infuriated at the idea he was called evil and couldn't allow L to say such things to the entire world. Panicking is an outbreak of fear. Light was not afraid or anything at that time.
    Well, L was known as the world's greatest detective, so i'd have to think Light was at least a little affected by his declaration. But yeah, maybe panicky was the wrong word to describe it. It was more of a mistake, something Light is very well known for.

    Interesting? I don't enjoy watching the same "psycho maniac genius fails" cliché nor the "evil dude begs for life" cliché. Putting them together doesn't help.
    Light was becoming a cliched tyrannical dictator type dude. Once he was done killing criminals, he was gonna start killing slackers, underachievers and the like. So he had a properly cliched death.

    If you ever picked up that Light was "overconfident" before the last volume then I must have missed something. When considering how Light acts, you can't just throw him into a pile of "how the majority would act" mentality. He acts with intellectual precision within all his endeavors, namely Ray Penbar and his wife. He didn't win a prize or anything when he beat L; he won his life and the continuation of the Death Note. Light knows better than anyone else that if his plans fail, he dies, so it's not understandable that he does not plan carefully despite being overconfident against his victory of L.
    According to Light himself (from volume 7), what he gained from killing L was the world, and the right to preside over it as it's god. Light's thought processes and deduction skills were most certainly on another level, but Light's behaviors do not set him apart at all. He gets angry, he screams at people, when things don't go his way he throws little hissy fits and so on. And like i've said about the ending, the only reason his plan doesn't work is because of Mikami. That other psycho is the basic difference between Light looking like a genius to everyone, and what actually happened. If all the Light sympathizers really know Light's personality, then they know that with the warehouse plan, Light wanted nothing more than to kill everyone there, and have them know that it was indeed him who was Kira. The plan he formulated was perfect for that purpose.

    Just because you don't sympathize with Light and sympathize with Near doesn't make the ending good. L's arc was intricate and rather long while Near's arc seemed like it ended quite quickly with the "Light must die" mentality.
    Likewise, just because you don't sympathize with Near doesn't make this the worse ending DN could've had. L's arc was indeed superior, that's true, but the Near and Mello arc was enjoyable as well. As for comparing the length of each arc, L's arc=6 1/2 volumes, Near & Mello's arc 5 1/2 volumes so not much disparity there.

    Don't make me laugh, so when L was interrogating him and he had to answer in a way he doesn't seem dumb or "completly innocent" and a bit like Kira he should've had a breakdown.
    That was pretty funny right there, you comparing a mere Q&A session L and Light had to the warehouse showdown. It was a sticky situation, the Q&A but it was quite different from the warehouse. L had no evidence on Light, no way to put real pressure on him. A situation like that is easily handled by Light.

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    Alright, we'll do this all again.

    Bearing in mind I haven't read all of this, but will later...

    Quote Originally Posted by CodeNightmare
    For those who argue that it’s natural for Light to break down like he did at the end, there’s far more than enough proof to say Light’s mental stability is nearly infinite or even godlike and that his tantrums are nothing more than letting off pressure.
    This is the main problem with Light fanboys. Light's mental stability isn't godlike. It's like that of a very calm human being. Light isn't God. Nor is he like God. Knock it off. Besides, infinite stability has no need for "letting off pressure".

    Quote Originally Posted by CodeNightmare
    He had a tantrum when Lind L. Taylor broadcasted that message, however, he definitely did not panic.
    He didn't panic. He didn't fear that Lind L. Taylor would catch him, rather he was a total baby and wanted to kill him in a "nyah nyah gotcha" kind of way. And then when he got owned, he threw a complete tantrum. Of course he didn't panic - he wasn't in any real danger. He just acted like a baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by CodeNightmare
    The next unsatisfactory character error would be Light’s sudden fear of death. Light does not fear death. He not only discarded Ryuk’s terrors and clarifications that would normally break an ordinary human’s mentality, but he also accepted that he would die by accepting to exploit the Death Note and by Ryuk’s provocation of his death.
    That was true at the start of the manga. Like, in Chapter 1. He changed alot since then. Even if his ideals started out altruistic, they quickly became nothing more than pure glory-greed and the desire to win. When he realised that he would lose, and that his great name would be ruined, then he panicked. Because, once again, he acted like a baby. He was always a baby.

    He was nonchalant about death at first because he was bored with his life and had altruistic goals. By the time he actually died though, he had alot to live for, and had self-serving goals. So he didn't want to die.

    Anyway, that was the paragraph with the most easily-countered points. But I'd agree that a poll would be interesting. Someone set it up. Unless you have already. I haven't looked. I'm tired.

 

 
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