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    Sherman is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorn View Post
    Can a shinigami be influenced by writing in the deathnote in any way? Not killing the shinigami, but influencing it.

    Also can a DN owner with "eyes deal" make any sense at all of the lifespan numbers they see?
    Not sure if those questions were ever actually addressed in the manga, but here's my interpretation:

    1. Do you mean, can someone manipulate the actions of a Shinigami by writing actions in a Death Note, even if it doesn't result in that Shinigami's death? If so, then no. You couldn't influence one without writing their name in the DN, and if you wrote their name in the DN, then they would have to die. And I'm pretty sure the Shinigamis couldn't go around writing each others names down and killing each other.

    2. Who knows? Although the numbers actually used in the manga were surely completely random, in the world if the story, the user could probably translate them. Or if they couldn't, then I'm sure it would be OK for a Shinigami to tell them how.

    As for Light finding out his own lifespan - I doubt it ever really occurred to him. He never had any real reason to know. But he definitely couldn't have got Rem to say what it was... there's no way Rem would have helped Light out in that way. If anything she probably would have given a fake answer

    And yeah, Shinigami have lifespans. If they don't write in the Note, its runs out and they die. Ryuuk mentions that near the start. He says thats the only reason anybody uses them anymore and that's why he's bored.

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    Shinigami aren't allowed to tell people their lifespans, in one chapter:
    "We're not allowed to tell humans their remaining life span because we don't know how they'll act if they know."

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    Yeah, that's right. But if the Eye Deal is intended to let the user see the name and lifespan of the person they're looking at, then presumably that means that they can make sense out of it.

    If it doesn't become innate knowledge (though I suspect it probably does), then I see no reason why Shinigami can't explain the formula, and the User just becomes bound by the same rules. Otherwise, what's the point in letting them see it?

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    The users are never to know the formula. It's shinigami-exclusive knowledge. Sharing it would be the equivalent of saving someone's life; they couldn't do it.

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    No it wouldn't. They're allowed to see the lifespan - I think it's implicit that they are also allowed to know what it means.

    But they'd still be bound by the same rules. If they tried to extend someone's life or whatever, they'd die too. Just like a Shinigami. I reckon that'd make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    No it wouldn't. They're allowed to see the lifespan - I think it's implicit that they are also allowed to know what it means.

    But they'd still be bound by the same rules. If they tried to extend someone's life or whatever, they'd die too. Just like a Shinigami. I reckon that'd make more sense.
    No, it wouldn't kill them. It only kills the shinigami because, by extending life, they go against their own purpose.

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    Yeah, I know that's why it kills the Shinigami. But obviously, a human who exchanges the eyes undergoes some changes as well. I see no reason why one of those changes couldn't be that if they were to act in that way, it would kill them. It's no less logical than all the rest of the stuff we're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    Yeah, I know that's why it kills the Shinigami. But obviously, a human who exchanges the eyes undergoes some changes as well. I see no reason why one of those changes couldn't be that if they were to act in that way, it would kill them. It's no less logical than all the rest of the stuff we're talking about.
    The only thing the Eye Deal does is grant a human the ability to see the name and lifespan of other humans in exchange for half of their remaining lifespan. It doesn't change them into a shinigami, nor does it alter their "purpose". Shinigami die if they extend human lifespans, but humans don't.

 

 
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