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    Kolox is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    More or less it's the same what L did - maybe there isn't any other way of doing it If it was me, I would drop it - I don't have such a great sense of justice that I would risk my life for such (I know, I know - but I'm being honest, I never try yo play hero if it isn't necessary )

    About keeping Kira in custody - L couldn't do it because he hadn't got such power (he said that in the scene after Lights Father heart attack). Moreover - it would be hard to persuade police dumbasses that even if he is in custody but killings still continue that doesn't mean he isn't Kira (remember the trick Light made, writing the names of people with week time ahead).

    Light made a little mistake in my opinion - he was the one who said he could prove his innocence by being captured like that - a little suspicious for someone who is Kira .I think for L, Light was always Kira and was treated as one - the problem is about learning how does he do all those things - capturing him alone wouldn't solve problem in L opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
    I'd first get a list of all of the killings, and map out their locations based on the order in which they died. That would provide me with a reasonable location for the suspect to reside in. After that, I would find out how the information on those people had been reported...where the information was available, and how much. I'd then find the common factors in the information...types of criminals who died, as well as common bits of information. I'd quickly realize that the killer has to life in the Kanto area because the first victim was only reported there.

    After that, I'd make a chart with the times of death of each victim. I'd use that information to analyze when the killer is free, and when he is busy. That would tell me that he's probably a student.

    When the ties abruptly changed, that would be all I needed to know--that would tell me that Kira was a student who had access to police information. I'd then get the files of everyone working at the police offices where this information was, and then leak specific bits of information to each person whose child could be Kira. From there, I'd see which bit of information was acted on. I would then immediately abduct the suspect and incarcerate him, under constant surveillance. When the killings stopped, I'd know I had Kira.

    That's how I would have caught Light. It would have taken a couple of months at most.

    Your plan does have merit, but it's more or less what L did in the first place. And remember, Light went about his actions leading the police to think it was a student, then he flipped the script and set the time of death at all different hours. And I think Light would know when he is being spoonfed info, in other words he could spot a trap easily.


    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
    Light's IQ isn't 200, I know that much. People with IQs that high cannot function socially. Since Light's can't be that high, L's can't, either.

    My estimations:

    Light: 160
    L: 155
    Near: 150
    Mello: 140
    Mikami: 140

    Mikami doesn't strike me as the genius type. Near and Mello aren't on L's level, but they're still in the genius range. I'm basing this mainly on the IQs of myself and people I know, and my knowledge of their mental abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kochiro
    whaaa? 160 only? There's lots of people with that IQ though.
    I say 175! Same with L.
    I think a bit of thinking outside the box is required here. People whose IQ's are in the 150-160 range are like college professors, Nobel Prize winners, etc. and I can't quite see putting characters like Light and L in that category. I find it somewhat degrading to these characters. Perhaps I overestimated, but these characters are certainly highly exceptional, and their IQ's should match. My revised character IQ's:

    Light-185
    L-182
    Near-171
    Mikami-160
    Mello-147


    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
    160 is less common than you'd imagine. That's my IQ
    Whoa... impressive. I haven't checked my IQ in a long while. I was in the 130-140 range myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058
    Light-185
    L-182
    Near-171
    Mikami-160
    Mello-147
    I can't agree - again I think that L was more or at least the same in intelligence with Light - the result of winning for Light was due to some circumstances.

    And why Mello is below Mikami - Mikami doesn't seems to be more intelligent, based on the fact he was worshipping Light and not tried to become an accomplice.

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    I dont agree with the way you talk about IQ, I had 127 when I took the test ( I was 14 years olds or so at that time) and right now, I am doing a PhD in physics and people usually see me as a damn genius...

    As far as I know, a low IQ really means that your retarded but a high IQ is more difficult to interpret :

    - First the IQ test is a bit different depending on the country.

    By the way in my country at least, 160 = Einstein or other rare Genius. I dont think that Light is that smart, he is a brillant student and has lots of manipulating abilities, but he does many mistakes that a real genius would not do.

    - The results will depend on the age of the person who is taking it. People's brain is very "plastic" and can change a lot with time ( that's more true for young people).


    - Intelligence without hard work means nothing, you can be very smart but if you are lazy...nobody would really notice it. Light was smart but also an hard worker with a strong will.

    - IQ is just a test, one way to measure intelligence and maybe not the best.

    So I would not give Light more than 150.
    L is about the same and nobody could tell if it is more or less than Light since the IQ is just a test, not a complete picture of somebody's intelligence.
    Last edited by zelrik; 01-05-2007 at 03:32 AM.

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    Thanks, zelrik. That's basically what I've been trying to say.

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    But they need to have high IQ - people with high IQ can learn faster and easier (well ,but some people with high IQ are... lazy and don't want to study although it's far more easier for them than for hard-working type).

    If we looked that way - Light was 'studding' although I think he was more concentrated on writing new names to death note - so 1 hour of true study was actually enough for him. When for L, having only one day of study let him pass the exam with perfect score (maybe he cheated ).

    Intelligence - in my opinion - is related to imagination - people with high intelligence have more complex imagination so they can see more possible endings or way of doing it when they think about it. People with low intelligence can actually come to the same conclusion, but it's like using they imagination 'capacity' - reseting the idea - and thinking about it again from other point of view - so they are able to think about lot's of combinations in the same time. That means, for less intelligent person to come to the same conclusion like more intelligent person he would need more time and effort. Seeing that L and Light were making all those deduction and thinking almost effortlessly means - in my opinion - that they IQ (the only know measurement of intelligence) must be more than above normal.

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    Jesus, for the millionth time, L's situation wasn't actually that difficult. Light screwed up so many times that an infant could have figured him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelrik
    I dont agree with the way you talk about IQ, I had 127 when I took the test ( I was 14 years olds or so at that time) and right now, I am doing a PhD in physics and people usually see me as a damn genius...
    ...And? I see what you're saying, but to blur the lines of reality a bit, Light, L, Near and maybe Mikami will dance circles around a PhD. These guys, for the most part, I find their thought processes on a whole other level from most normal people. If they existed in real life, I would find them extraordinary. Well, I suppose this is the result of trying to hang realistic statistics on fictional characters. I guess i'll revise my IQ's once again:

    Light-397
    L-396
    Near-395
    Mikami-394
    Mello-147 (This guy could exist in real life lol)


    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
    Jesus, for the millionth time, L's situation wasn't actually that difficult. Light screwed up so many times that an infant could have figured him out.
    So Light screws up a lot, huh? So I guess his supposed screw ups at the end weren't really out of character, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    So Light screws up a lot, huh? So I guess his supposed screw ups at the end weren't really out of character, huh?
    Mistakes like revealing that he had police information, and letting L realize he was a student, along with his killing of Lind L. Tailor. Light's plans didn't tend to have problems, though. His mistakes in the end were completely out of character. His mistakes early on were due to excessive toying with L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    ...And? I see what you're saying, but to blur the lines of reality a bit, Light, L, Near and maybe Mikami will dance circles around a PhD. These guys, for the most part, I find their thought processes on a whole other level from most normal people. If they existed in real life, I would find them extraordinary. Well, I suppose this is the result of trying to hang realistic statistics on fictional characters. I guess i'll revise my IQ's once again:

    Light-397
    L-396
    Near-395
    Mikami-394
    Mello-147 (This guy could exist in real life lol)
    Where do you get these numbers from? The highest IQ you can have is 200, so all the IQ´s you have stated here doesn´t make sense, because that high numbers doesn´t exist...



    Over 140 - Genius or almost genius
    120 - 140 - Very superior intelligence
    110 - 119 - Superior intelligence
    90 - 109 - Average or normal intelligence
    80 - 89 - Dullness
    70 - 79 - Borderline deficiency in intelligence
    Under 70 - Feeble-mindedness

    50-70 - Mild mental retardation
    35-50 - Moderate mental retardation
    20-35 - Severe mental retardation
    IQ < 20 - Profound mental retardation

    115-124 - Above average
    125-134 - Gifted
    135-144 - Very gifted
    145-164 - Genius
    165-179 - High genius
    180-200 - Highest genius

    Taken from: increasebrainpower.com/iq-scale.html

    If anyone is interested the article is quit interesting and worth reading

    The average IQ of people going to high school is 105, people going to university 115, and professors have an average IQ on around 130... Actually people with just an IQ on 125 can become anything they want

    Besides that what Light and L did doesn´t necessary mean you have a high IQ, it just mean you have a high analyzing ability

    Light an L most likely only have an IQ in the 140-150 range

 

 
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