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    scriver058 is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Hmm... I would definitely put Light, L, Near and Mikami in the 180-200 range, and Mello in the 150-170 range. I could see Light and, to a lesser extent L probably at or above 200 for immeasureable genius. Mikami is probably in the 190's, and Near is probably in the 180's. Hmm, Near is my fave character, yet I put him at the next to lowest IQ. Yet he's the only one to survive out of these characters, LOL.

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    I'm not sure about Mello - the trick how he got a Death Note on his hands and Light wasn't able to do anything was really good - the only problem with him is that he lets his emotions control him. Although I totally agree that he should be below Near.
    About Mikami I have mixed feelings but I myself wouldn't know where to put him so I won't make any opinion...

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    Light's IQ isn't 200, I know that much. People with IQs that high cannot function socially. Since Light's can't be that high, L's can't, either.

    My estimations:

    Light: 160
    L: 155
    Near: 150
    Mello: 140
    Mikami: 140

    Mikami doesn't strike me as the genius type. Near and Mello aren't on L's level, but they're still in the genius range. I'm basing this mainly on the IQs of myself and people I know, and my knowledge of their mental abilities.

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    whaaa? 160 only? There's lots of people with that IQ though.
    I say 175! Same with L.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kochiro View Post
    whaaa? 160 only? There's lots of people with that IQ though.
    I say 175! Same with L.
    160 is less common than you'd imagine. That's my IQ, and I estimate Light and I are on a similar mental level. He thinks the way I do. His IQ in the second arc is significantly lower than it is in the first...I'm pretty sure I could have beaten Near had I been in his situation. But then again, I don't really know.

    L isn't quite as intelligent as he seems. He's a genius, yes, but his actions weren't really that spectacular. Finding Kira was very easy, given Light's frequent mistakes early on. He's definitely not as intelligent as Light...he's just less likely to make mistakes.

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    I think it's mistake to think that L is less inteligent than Light. We need to remember that it was Light who had upper-hand in everything - he had death note, he had known the rules and he had Ryuuk, which sometimes was pretty helpful although he tried to stay neutral.
    Considering this, L started from 0 and was really near getting Light (and he was always the main suspect, wasn't he?). The reason Light won was because he started from better position and his situation was sometimes getting even betterm. Appearing of second Kira, Ray Penbar fiancee appearing before him, Rem love to Misa - none of those L could use, they were a great help for Light thought. I could even dare to say that L was more intelligent, considering he went so far before he was killed..

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    That's right, L didn't even know anything about shinigami till later on. XD

    In the world of 6 billion (and more) people there are more than a handful of people with 160 IQ, and with Japan and the hard studying culture they have I don't think 160 points is enough to be the best student in Japan.

    Thinking like Light.....I dunno his plans were pretty wonky, and with the final plan at the very end with the fake pages in the notebook, having a fake deathnote to fool Near, and knowing exactly what Near's plan was. Would anyone have thought like that? XD Tsugumi Ohba writes Light's and everyone elses thoughts as well too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    I think it's mistake to think that L is less inteligent than Light. We need to remember that it was Light who had upper-hand in everything - he had death note, he had known the rules and he had Ryuuk, which sometimes was pretty helpful although he tried to stay neutral.
    Considering this, L started from 0 and was really near getting Light (and he was always the main suspect, wasn't he?). The reason Light won was because he started from better position and his situation was sometimes getting even betterm. Appearing of second Kira, Ray Penbar fiancee appearing before him, Rem love to Misa - none of those L could use, they were a great help for Light thought. I could even dare to say that L was more intelligent, considering he went so far before he was killed..
    Not this again.

    L's work was easy, for a few reasons:

    1) The killing started in Japan. With that, L had a good idea of where his target was. He solidified that with the broadcast.

    2) The timing of the the killings made the age of the perpetrator clear...and Light's subsequent (and idiotic) decision to alter his strategy made it obvious that he had access to police information.

    3) Thus, Light became an obvious suspect. Killing Raye was the nail in the coffin. Light fit the description for Kira perfectly. Locating him was incredibly easy. It wouldn't take a genius to do that. L was a fool for not immediately confining Light and seeing if the killing stopped.

    L had the entirety of the world's police forces behind him, and all he had to do was find Kira. Light had himself and the Death Note, but nothing more. He not only had to find and kill L, he also had to do it without being captured. His goal was harder, and he had less going for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kochiro View Post
    That's right, L didn't even know anything about shinigami till later on. XD

    In the world of 6 billion (and more) people there are more than a handful of people with 160 IQ, and with Japan and the hard studying culture they have I don't think 160 points is enough to be the best student in Japan.

    Thinking like Light.....I dunno his plans were pretty wonky, and with the final plan at the very end with the fake pages in the notebook, having a fake deathnote to fool Near, and knowing exactly what Near's plan was. Would anyone have thought like that? XD Tsugumi Ohba writes Light's and everyone elses thoughts as well too.
    I think it would easily be enough to be the top student in Japan.

    Geniuses are fairly rare to begin with, and you don't even have to be a genius to get extremely high scores on standardized tests. Light's #1 ranking was based on a standardized test administered to Japanese high school students his age. Some people are naturally very gifted at standardized tests...Light is clearly one of them. It's possible to get the high score on such a test without actually being the most intelligent person to take it. Standardized tests don't measure intelligence, they measure how good you are at answering standardized test questions. I tend to get very high scores on standardized tests-for example, the last standardized test I took was the PSAT, on which I got a perfect score. I suspect that someone like me, if they prepared enough, could get a perfect, or nearly perfect score on most standardized tests, provided the exam was over material they had studied.

    The point is this: You don't have to have an extremely high IQ to succeed at a standardized test. With a 160 IQ, Light could have done it with relative ease.

    IQ isn't a very good indicator of academic success, though, to my knowledge. People of average intelligence, with enough studying, can beat people of extraordinary intelligence who don't try.

    Light didn't need an IQ of 200 to do what he did. Strong analytical ability, combined with an ability to think fast, is all he needed.

    Fuck, this post sounds really arrogant. Sorry about that.

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    Yeah, it sounds, but whatever - can sometimes piss off if you need to write something again - sorry about that. ( I rarely wrote anything on DN forum although I loved the series)
    You are right - at the beginning it was L with upper hand, for someone with such experience like L he could quickly determine the main suspects. But then the tables have been turned - L was abandoned and he had in for help a bunch of unreliable guys (I know, they helped L and Near few times and those were things of major importance, but they without L would be just like a meat left for a tiger to eat...).
    Light is intelligent, but not geniuses considering his fatal mistakes at the very beginning - it somehow was too simple for L to narrow his as a suspect. Light's response to the program was...stupid. He actually killed innocent person without a blink of eye - it showed his weakness.

    BTW. It sounds easy when you know already know that - could you analyse in the same way knowing that you are fighting with a person who has power to kill anyone he wants to ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    BTW. It sounds easy when you know already know that - could you analyse in the same way knowing that you are fighting with a person who has power to kill anyone he wants to ??
    I'd first get a list of all of the killings, and map out their locations based on the order in which they died. That would provide me with a reasonable location for the suspect to reside in. After that, I would find out how the information on those people had been reported...where the information was available, and how much. I'd then find the common factors in the information...types of criminals who died, as well as common bits of information. I'd quickly realize that the killer has to life in the Kanto area because the first victim was only reported there.

    After that, I'd make a chart with the times of death of each victim. I'd use that information to analyze when the killer is free, and when he is busy. That would tell me that he's probably a student.

    When the ties abruptly changed, that would be all I needed to know--that would tell me that Kira was a student who had access to police information. I'd then get the files of everyone working at the police offices where this information was, and then leak specific bits of information to each person whose child could be Kira. From there, I'd see which bit of information was acted on. I would then immediately abduct the suspect and incarcerate him, under constant surveillance. When the killings stopped, I'd know I had Kira.

    That's how I would have caught Light. It would have taken a couple of months at most.

 

 
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