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    coolerimmortal is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Default I, uh, think Near may have killed Light

    Remember Matsuda's theory from 108? The one in which Near killed Mikami? The one that was pretty much obviously true? I'd like to expand upon it.

    Light behavior in the last minutes of his life was strange, to say the least. Most importantly, his plan was idiotic and out of character. Seriously...compare his L plan (Lose his memory, capture a third Kira, prove his innocence, then get both L and a shinigami killed...extremely impressive) to his Near plan (Mikami looks through a fucking door). Either Light's IQ was halved, or something odd was at work. Then there was his mental breakdown...which makes some sense, but is still suspicious. Finally, his sad attempt to kill Near using the concealed scrap of the Death Note? That was completely un-Light. He knew that plan wouldn't work. Why would he do that?

    Simple: He was being manipulated. Near wrote his name in the Death Note alongside Mikami's. He specified that Light would come to the warehouse on the assigned date, attempt to kill the people there, fail, have a breakdown, confess to being Kira, and die pathetically...or something of that sort. He might even have thrown the attempting to kill Near thing in there, or that might have come out of the breakdown part.

    It explains Light's actions perfectly. His plan was stupid because he was being controlled by the Note. Ryuk's apparent execution of him could have been specified as well, or it might not have been...regardless, since Near would have written this out first, Ryuk's writing of the name wouldn't have undone the original "writing". Perhaps Near even wrote, "Dies at the hands of someone in the warehouse".

    It makes perfect sense, given Near's character. He was a little brat obsessed with winning, and willing to do anything to accomplish it. He wasn't a good person like L, even Ohba admits that.

    So, thoughts?

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    coolerimmortal:
    You are my Hero. You might be 100% right! Cos i agree with you what you are trying to say I believed what you have said.
    What I believe was that the Light I am seeing when he dies WAS NOT the Light I ever knew. I did try to tell everyone that ending was out of character and I am still trying to prove my point till now!

    Now you point out something so now i will point out my thing.
    Point 1: Which you said Near MAY have killed Light.
    Point 2: We both say Near MAY have killed Mikami.
    Point 3: Near Could also MAY have Killed Misa!!!

    As you see Mikami Action was out of character too. When he was in Jail and he killed himself what Matsuda has said in 108.
    I also Believe Near May have Killed Misa too! So it is like this Anyone who have seen or touched Death Note Will have to dies So that Near will not have anymore Enemies! Like coolerimmortal said Near is brat and etc...
    Near Could Fake in front of everyone that he HAS burned the 2 Death Notes. It could be that Death Note is still hiding within Near who know he is Lying Evil Bitch!

    Human are Interesting!

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    Well, right off, if Near had written Light's name in the DN, and then Ryuk had done the same thing, that basically would've negated the effect of the DN on Light, right? I'm not 100% sure, but I think that was one of the rules. Now, perhaps Near would've been able to employ a second DN in Light's death. Were Light's actions so far out of character at the end? Near did not have concrete proof that Light was in fact Kira. Is it really plausible that Near, going on just speculation and such, would go on that and write Light's name anyway? No matter how big a brat he was, I don't believe he would've written Light's name without having hard evidence that Light was the original Kira. Matsuda's theory makes sense for Mikami, since they found conclusive proof that he was a Kira. Now, going back to Near being a brat, Light was just as big a brat as Near was. Remember how he killed L? Right before L passed, Light let him full well know he was Kira. He also threw a tantrum or two during the series. Light devised his plan to rub Near's face in his victory, and send him and the others to their deaths with a sour taste in their mouths. As far as writing Near's name in the piece of DN he had, it was doable... Near was just on to him. Light, at that point, is a desperate mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Well, right off, if Near had written Light's name in the DN, and then Ryuk had done the same thing, that basically would've negated the effect of the DN on Light, right? I'm not 100% sure, but I think that was one of the rules.
    It isn't. The rule is that the second writing doesn't do anything; the first can't be negated.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Now, perhaps Near would've been able to employ a second DN in Light's death. Were Light's actions so far out of character at the end?
    Yes. His idiocy, at the very least, is incredibly out of character.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Near did not have concrete proof that Light was in fact Kira. Is it really plausible that Near, going on just speculation and such, would go on that and write Light's name anyway? No matter how big a brat he was, I don't believe he would've written Light's name without having hard evidence that Light was the original Kira.
    He would have done it. Near was a brat. He didn't care about justice; he just wanted to win.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Matsuda's theory makes sense for Mikami, since they found conclusive proof that he was a Kira.
    It was every bit as obvious that Light was Kira, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Now, going back to Near being a brat, Light was just as big a brat as Near was.
    ...No, Light wasn't a brat. Light was corrupted by the power of the Death Note, but he was no brat.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Remember how he killed L? Right before L passed, Light let him full well know he was Kira. He also threw a tantrum or two during the series. Light devised his plan to rub Near's face in his victory, and send him and the others to their deaths with a sour taste in their mouths.
    Well, as L pointed out early on, he and Kira are both sore losers. They like winning. Of course Light would want L to know it was him.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    As far as writing Near's name in the piece of DN he had, it was doable... Near was just on to him. Light, at that point, is a desperate mess.
    Uh, no. Light's master plan at that point was to turn around and start writing shit down. Let's keep in mind that the people in the room know he's a mass murderer who kills people by writing their name down, and he just tried to kill them all. His plan was idiotic and out of character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
    Yes. His idiocy, at the very least, is incredibly out of character.
    You can't hit a home run every time out.


    He would have done it. Near was a brat. He didn't care about justice; he just wanted to win.
    I don't know so much about that. Yeah, he wants to win, and he had a coldblooded air about him, but I think he wanted Light brought to justice. The win meant nothing unless he proved Light was Kira. So what purpose would writing Light's name in the DN have if there was even a slight possibility that he wasn't Kira? Using Mikami to flush out Kira was the best, most logical, and only move Near could make. If Light was Kira, well you saw what happened in the manga. If he wasn't, Near would lose face, yeah, but the only casualty from the whole debacle would've been Mikami, on whom Near had proof was a Kira, so no big deal.



    It was every bit as obvious that Light was Kira, too.
    Yes, obvious, but Near simply had no real evidence on Light. The point being, I believe Near wouldn't have made a move against a Kira suspect using the DN unless he had proof.



    ...No, Light wasn't a brat. Light was corrupted by the power of the Death Note, but he was no brat.
    Dude... being corrupted by the DN is all fine and good, but even though Light is brilliant, he is prone to throwing tantrums like a five year old kid. In otherwords, like a brat.



    Well, as L pointed out early on, he and Kira are both sore losers. They like winning. Of course Light would want L to know it was him.
    And he would want Near to know as well. Therefore, his plan was the way it was. This wasn't a case of Light being an idiot per se, but of his ego getting in the way. Mikami could've went to the warehouse, gotten Near's and whoever elses names, gotten that to Light, and Light could've killed him at his leisure. But Light had to make a spectacle of it. He couldn't be logical about it, so he deserved what he got.



    Uh, no. Light's master plan at that point was to turn around and start writing shit down. Let's keep in mind that the people in the room know he's a mass murderer who kills people by writing their name down, and he just tried to kill them all. His plan was idiotic and out of character.
    You oversimplify Light's plan. He posed a question about the validity of the notebooks, which he thought would confuse the people just enough to give him a window to write Near's name. Nate River... just 9 letters. It was very doable. He could then talk his way out of there, which I dunno about that. Light always kept a piece of the DN in the watch. So, when things fell apart in the warehouse, he had to come up with something on the fly. I mean, what could even a genius come up with in that type of situation, within a few seconds? Light had some time to cook up the whole losing his memory/Yotsuba/killing L plan. The warehouse deal, while simple, served his purpose of wiping out everyone who knew of a murder notebook, and rubbing their faces in it. The point being, even geniuses need time to cook up these schemes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    You can't hit a home run every time out.
    This was a bit more significant than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    I don't know so much about that. Yeah, he wants to win, and he had a coldblooded air about him, but I think he wanted Light brought to justice. The win meant nothing unless he proved Light was Kira.
    The win meant nothing unless the people around him thought he'd brought Kira to justice. Killing Light and making him confess would have been an easy way to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    So what purpose would writing Light's name in the DN have if there was even a slight possibility that he wasn't Kira?
    But remember, Near didn't have L's sense of justice. He was certain Light was Kira, anyways. I'm sure he had it in him to kill Light, and if he was wrong, he could simply say, "Oh shit, there's another Kira".

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Using Mikami to flush out Kira was the best, most logical, and only move Near could make. If Light was Kira, well you saw what happened in the manga. If he wasn't, Near would lose face, yeah, but the only casualty from the whole debacle would've been Mikami, on whom Near had proof was a Kira, so no big deal.
    But Near wouldn't do that. He wouldn't risk losing face like that, and he knew that if he killed Mikami without telling the others, they'd never trust him again and he'd be finished.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Yes, obvious, but Near simply had no real evidence on Light. The point being, I believe Near wouldn't have made a move against a Kira suspect using the DN unless he had proof.
    Near, once again, lacked L's sense of justice. In his mind, he had all the proof he needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Dude... being corrupted by the DN is all fine and good, but even though Light is brilliant, he is prone to throwing tantrums like a five year old kid. In otherwords, like a brat.
    He's under a lot of stress. He wasn't a brat.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    And he would want Near to know as well. Therefore, his plan was the way it was. This wasn't a case of Light being an idiot per se, but of his ego getting in the way. Mikami could've went to the warehouse, gotten Near's and whoever elses names, gotten that to Light, and Light could've killed him at his leisure. But Light had to make a spectacle of it. He couldn't be logical about it, so he deserved what he got.
    Do you remember what Light did after he got his memories back? He basically set things up so that he could kill L whenever. He didn't want to kill him immediately, because he knew it would be risky and suspicious. Had he been in full possession of his mental faculties, he would have told Mikami to come to the warehouse, find out all of the names, write them on a normal piece of paper, and walk away. Near would have been humiliated (exactly what Light would have wanted), Light would have regained a lot of his comrades' trust, and he would have been free to kill everyone when he needed to.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    You oversimplify Light's plan. He posed a question about the validity of the notebooks, which he thought would confuse the people just enough to give him a window to write Near's name. Nate River... just 9 letters. It was very doable. He could then talk his way out of there, which I dunno about that. Light always kept a piece of the DN in the watch. So, when things fell apart in the warehouse, he had to come up with something on the fly.
    But turning around and writing? That would never work. And besides, it would accomplish nothing, since it would just be obvious then that Light was even more dangerous than they had thought, and Matsuda probably would have blown him away.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    I mean, what could even a genius come up with in that type of situation, within a few seconds?
    I would.

    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058 View Post
    Light had some time to cook up the whole losing his memory/Yotsuba/killing L plan. The warehouse deal, while simple, served his purpose of wiping out everyone who knew of a murder notebook, and rubbing their faces in it. The point being, even geniuses need time to cook up these schemes.
    He had plenty of time to cook up a decent warehouse plan. I came up with the "Mikami leaves" idea in about three seconds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina View Post
    I agree with scriver. It seemed out of character for light to die so pathetically, but it would be even more out of character for near to have used the DN to have light confess to being kira. Writing something down like try to kill near would probably have resulted in light just having a heart attack since you can't have them kill someone in their activities before they die. And attempting to kill someone, unless you specify how they would do it, and they wouldn't be able to actually kill them would probably result in the heart attack.
    He didn't need to write "tries to kill Near", he ju st needed the breakdown part. Light did the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina View Post
    I personally didnt like the ending because i actually foresaw that mikami would have a fake book and so he wouldnt be able to kill them. This kind of spoiled it for me since the best bit about DN was how each time light used his intellelect to anticipate the moves of his opponent, and yet this time he didnt consider something that i had considered myself :s
    Yes. In other words, he wasn't nearly as intelligent as usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina View Post
    And yeah, light did have a god complex, so of course he would have been arrogant that his plan would work, and that he would be able to stand over near just as he did L, and probably say something like "you were nothing compared to L" or something like that.
    His god complex came from his intellect and his power. He didn't apply his intellect at all in this situation.

    Here's another plan Light could have used: He could have had Mikami write the names of everyone besides Near on a fake Note, and then allow himself to be captured...and identify Near as Kira. That would have confused the investigation team long enough for Light to get Near's name from Mikami and kill everyone.

    Yet another plan: He could have written the names of his men in the Note, along with the entry, "restrains Near and his men for [amount of time]", or something to that effect. Then, while his men were restraining Near and his people, Light could have executed them one by one...not with the Note, but with his gun. That plan is weaker but it would probably have worked.

    Light's plan was stupid.

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    I didn't even bother to read the topic, but can you please change the title of this thread? Thanks for spoiling my favorite manga for me.

    5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions...

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    This is why people basically regard the second half of deathnote like a joke. It sucks compared to the first half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenshi_no_zetsumei View Post
    I didn't even bother to read the topic, but can you please change the title of this thread? Thanks for spoiling my favorite manga for me.
    The manga has been over for quite a while now. There's another thread entitled "Light's Demise". As a general rule, StopTazmo is not spoiler-safe when it comes to stuff that's been out for a while.

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    Go Cooler. Great idea - I would never have thought of it but it doesn't make sense otherwise. ^_^
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